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Tuesday, 2 September 2014

Anglicanism - that it should have come to this!


"Worshippers at the St Michael and All Angels Church in Uffington, Lincolnshire, wanted their oak altar to double up as
a place to 'serve refreshments' ".  Photo: Alamy


Friendly service with Coffee (see 'Services and Events' here).

Worshippers at St Michael and All Angels Church in Uffington, Lincolnshire, wanted their oak altar to double up as a place to “serve refreshments” but Mark Bishop, chancellor for Lincoln, and a judge of the Church of England's Consistory Court, decided the altar could only be used for worship, not to serve snacks. Read the report here. Putting the request for a faculty in a slightly different but no better light, another account here reveals that the application was part of the church’s refurbishment project "which has included a revamp of the Casrewick (sic) Chapel and a new roof".

It beggars belief that for some Anglicans tea and coffee are now on a par with Holy Communion. If anyone doesn't understand why the application had to be rejected they should watch this video:




17 comments:

  1. There is nothing Anglican about the video clip. It is as extreme as the application to use the Table for tea and biscuits. Both are utterly inappropriate in the Anglican tradition. Don't people ever read the Thirty-nine Articles?

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    1. What have the 39 Articles got do do with modern Anglicanism? They are just outdated Tudor propaganda which have no relevance to the modern diverse Anglican church.

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    2. There is an interesting article "CATHOLICISM, CALVINISM AND THE THIRTY-NINE ARTICLES"
      here: http://www.virtueonline.org/catholicism-calvinism-and-thirty-nine-articles

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    3. The Articles of Religion are part of the Declaration of Assent made by every contemporary Church of England minister, deacon, priest or bishop, at the beginning of a new ministry. They also form part of the doctrine of most Anglican provinces - except the ones which have totally embraced the Spirit of the Age, and in doing so have acquired all kinds of modern diseases.

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    4. "except the ones which have totally embraced the Spirit of the Age, and in doing so have acquired all kinds of modern diseases" - so that would be all of the majority of Anglicanism, in which case the 39 Rants have been consigned to the dustbin of history.

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    5. The Anglican Communion is in a very bad way, not least because so many provinces, such as Wales, have jettisoned both the authority of the Scriptures, and the sound doctrine contained in the Anglican formularies, in favour of a new religion which is neither Anglican, nor, frankly, Christian. It is those provinces which have entered the dustbin of history, for they are fatally diseased, and will soon be forgotten.

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  2. Beleaguered of Bangor2 September 2014 at 12:28

    Of course the incumbent of St Michael's Uffington submitted an application for a tea bar which could double as an altar on rare occasions. She is just like the rest of 'Barry's Babes' (most now in their 60s and 70s). She probably doesn't know the difference between the Holy Eucharist and a kiddies tea party. It would make perfect sense to her to combine the two functions. If you think this is bad, you want to see what goes on in some parishes up here with women clergy who think it's their task to be everyone's favourite aunty, and where cringe-inducing notions of 'community' are everything and God is just one of the club. I now have to drive over the border to St Asaph to find anything remotely resembling dignified Anglican liturgy in this part of the world. And as for our Cathedral... it will be tea bars galore before too long.

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  3. For some, Sunday services are just excuse to share coffee with your friends.

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    1. There is an interesting debate about all this on the Thinking Liturgy blog. Several 'low protestants' from the USA can't see a problem with it; but several weightier Anglicans can. There's a wonderful quote from a former Bishop of Winchester, John V Taylor, in the thread which hits the nail on the head. Churches, he says, are "a permanent and much-needed reminder that this is not a human-centred universe: it revolves around God and for God." Perhaps someone should remind the golfing Archbishop of this next time he insists on using that awful wheel-on trolley in the interests of chumminess, instead of the High Altar to evoke mystery, in his Cathedral!

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  4. Alas! Uffington, where the Betjemans used to live.

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    1. Different Uffington. The Betjemans were of the Wiltshire Uffington, the proposed tea party was for Uffington Lincolnshire.

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  5. I am surprised ,Anglicanus ,if you do not recognise the Mass in this video.
    Well, we use churches for concerts and a glass of wine in the interval, so tea and coffee is the natural progression,I suppose. This presents the picture that attending church is little more than going along to your local altruistic social club (for some) .This is part of the reason that we are in a pickle ,and the Sacraments of the church and prayer have been subordinated in favour of everyone being nice buddies. This is the origin of ++ Barry's phrase if challenged : "we love you".

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  6. http://wales.gov.uk/newsroom/welshlanguage/2014/140901panel/?lang=en

    Well, what do you know.
    Carl Cooper is busy feathering his own nest once again.
    Did His ++Darkness provide Carl the Cad with a reference?

    The ears in the walls of the Welsh Assembly report that Carefree Carl neglected to include on his CV or tell his new best buttie Carwyn that he used to be a priest and Bishop as well as the inconvenient truth that he was forced to resign in disgrace shortly after a couple of dozen of his subordinates in the St. David's Diocese decided to ask for an inquiry into him sh*gging his Chaplain.

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    1. Beleaguered of Bangor5 September 2014 at 10:50

      I hope Carwyn takes a particular interest in Cooper's expense claims. That was his ultimate undoing in St Davids when Barry was desperately trying every known trick to keep him in office (and ensure his arch-poodle and henchman remained by his side) when a double room for "Mrs & Mrs Cooper" in a Caernarfon Hotel resulted in the hotel management being asked to do a search of their records (my niece worked there for a while). The real Mrs Cooper, it seems, was miles away in Abergwyli. So who ate the other breakfast? As the insurance Meerkats would say "Simples"! Ironically, Barry caved in at the prospect of having to explain how one of his fellow bishops could be so prodigal with the C in W's limited resources being used to finance a personal 'pet project'! I wonder if they have discretionary funds at the Senydd?

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    2. Sounds to me like an ideal opportunity for a good number of us to write to Carwyn Jones (copied to Martin Shipton) asking whether Cooper is an appropriate person to hold public office in this way: not because of his sexual indiscretions; but because he was found to be responsible for financial jiggery-pokery. And when the enquiries come in to Cathedral Road, we can all place bets of the degree of obfuscation from Ms Morrell!

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    3. The infamous Bishop Cooper and frisky Mandy will no doubt adorn the corridors of power down at the 'Bay'. He will need to keep a close eye on her.

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  7. http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/dean-llandaff-denies-whistleblowers-claim-7722235

    "community facilities"?
    "a restaurant of the kind found in many other cathedrals"?

    The dean and chapter of Llandaff would struggle to run a bath successfully much less a "restaurant".
    If he can't afford to pay 6 part time singing men the trifling sum of "between £3,500 and £4,000 a year" how does Bazza's glove puppet think he'll manage to pay a team of full time catering staff.
    Who does he think would go to eat there anyway?
    Bath Abbey attracts more visitors in a day than Llandaff does in a month.


    "Better to be considered a fool and keep silent than to speak and remove all doubt"

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