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| Six openly partnered/married gay and lesbian bishops at Lambeth 2022. Source: Twitter |
The US Episcopalian Church along with other western Anglican provinces do not need transgender, gay and lesbian priests and bishops to make people welcome. If the Church had not been welcoming there would be no openly gay and lesbian priests or bishops in the Church.
They protest that God loves them and that they are made in His image. So they are. So are adulterers.
God loves the sinner, not the sin, so these entrists busy themselves changing definitions to suit themselves, even re-defining marriage which is between a man and a woman, to the exclusion of all others and for life. Were it not so there would be no children and civilisation would cease.
The LGBTQ+ community is using the Church for their own ends. They are a vocal minority who do not represent the majority of Anglicans and fellow Christians.
The same sex partnered bishop of Monmouth, Cherry Vann, (pictured 3rd from right) is a patron of Open Table, an organisation whose mission is to "warmly welcome and affirm people who are Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer or Questioning, Intersex, Asexual (LGBTQIA), + our family and friends, and anyone who wants to belong in an accepting, loving worship community."
Very well organised, a vocal minority is using Lambeth to manipulate public opinion for their own ends.
The Global South stands for Bible based orthodoxy. They have set out four priorities for ‘Orthodox delegates’ including re-affirmation of Resolution 1.10.
They must not be silenced by a vocal minority intent on serving their own interests above all others.
Postscript [01.08.2022]
The house of the Lord! - Look at the setting for this circus. What have we become?
I assume that the bible that these people and their kind read does not include Leviticus, Romans or Corinthians or else they would not be a member of any church unless of course Satan is using them. How on earth did we allow things to come to this ? I pray that the majority of Christians read the Bible for themselves and that they wake up from their sleepwalking or else they will be led into hell !
ReplyDeleteThe majority of Christians have already read their Bible and left the Cult in Wales.
DeleteIt's the plankers that need to leave and go to hell.
“The price of cowardice will only be evil. We shall reap courage and victory only when we dare to make sacrifices.”
DeleteAleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Evil surely triumphs when good men do nothing.
DeleteEdmund Burke
The Bishops of the Global South have made a stand, and Justin Welby is about to be put on the spot, along with the umpteen Anglican bishops from these shores. The question which vexes me is how can we, here in Wales, challenge the apostates who call themselves bishops, and even force them from office? They have no right to wear mitres and carry croziers. They have denied their baptismal promises to "fight against sin, the world, and the devil" and have openly invited Satan into the heart of the Church. They have denied their consecration promises to uphold the Scriptures, and to maintain unity. What is most shocking is that they do not care.
ReplyDeleteIf somebody has any suggestion on this, I look forward to reading it.
Seymour
Stop your giving, do so very publicly and encourage others to do likewise.
DeleteEither leave the Cult in Wales altogether or at least stop serving on PCCs and as Church Wardens.
Withdraw your goodwill, stop volunteering for the 101 other things that are need doing.
Hit the heretics in the coffers.
Make sure to tell your Priest/Priestess why you are doing so.
There is scope to expand on Seymour's suggestion and that of 1920 by scuppering the large number of fund raising appeals for Church repairs. Money is tight and donors are amenable. Tell them the truth. Expose the enemy within. Choke them financially.
DeleteStop paying all Parish shares, or whatever they're called nowadays. Bankrupt the Dioceses.
DeleteThere's unlikely to be any new significant fund raising appeals in Llandaff until the Organ appeal (to pay £1.5 million for a £980k instrument) accounts are finally drawn up, audited properly and published.
DeleteAs the follies of Barry Morgan have been taken further forward by those misfits who have followed him, the C in W is now no more than a branch of Stonewall. Those who profess to be its leaders have shown that they are immersed in false beliefs and expect those in the pews to accept them. I offer a heartfelt vote of No Confidence in these heretics who have destroyed what was once a holy, scripturally-faithful institution. I know that many of my friends and acquaintances are of a similar view and have withdrawn from what is now an embarrassment to all who hold fast to the established teachings of one holy, catholic and apostolic church.
ReplyDeleteKyrie eleison..
Good for you and your friends.
DeleteWithholding weekly giving or covenanting is of course a good start but do it with meaning. Insert into your Gift Aid envelope a note to the Priest explaining why your money is no longer on the Offertory Plate. ([Before opening it in the vestry he'she will have already 'blessed' it at the altar!]. Believe me, it will only take a few weeks of this before your church or cathedral sidesmen will give you a wide berth. Your protest will have been noted. But no, don't just stop attending church or quit the PCC. Once you take this line, you'll thus have lost your voice. You/we are in stronger position working from within. But certainly engage with co-parishioners and have no shame in harrassing your local vicar gay or not. You might find that many of the Province's clergy are secretly in agreement ... just too meek-and-mild (as little Lambs) to bite the dogs who feed them: their bishops. Cowards really, but that's the sort of pathetic candidates for ordination the C-in-W seems to prefer these days. Most of the clergy with 'balls' have already quit Wales; many of the older ones have died in sorrow at the way the C-in-W has drowned itself in a cesspit; only part of which is LGBTQ+ driven.
ReplyDeleteAd Clerum
Just how much "voice" do you have in Bangor Cathedral and Diocese nowadays?
DeleteUnless you happen to be one of the gay cabal or the supine nodding dogs, in Llandaff you'll get no say, and if you dare speak out or raise your voice in protest you'll find yourself labelled "subversive"!
Haven't you read about the way the various letter writers (Llandaff, Radyr and Llanishen) were all dismissed out of hand recently?
Not just by Caiaphas and her useless butt-kissing Archdeacons but also by the chocolate teapot in Bangor.
By staying in you'll succeed only in setting yourself up for yet more frustration and disappointment.
As for your giving, I respectfully suggest one good cause might be Rev Maynard in Angle. Helping support him and his family might have the added bonus of persuading other like-minded orthodox traditionalist priests to quit the swamp and hasten the demise of the Cult in Wales.
Seeing Rev Maynard's new ministry flourishing whilst her own Diocese crumbles around her deaf ears will have the additional benefit of irritating DodoJo no end.
I see no downside.
One can only assume that Ad Clerum and Old Bill accept they have no voice at all in Bangor Diocese and St. Denial's Cathedral.
DeleteCancel one's Gift Aid and walk away without looking back.
And very many are counting down to a retirement and can’t wait to get out. Roll on an early retirement package! Llechryd
ReplyDeleteGod you people are so unhealthily obsessed with gay sex! You envious? Not getting any yourself?
ReplyDeleteUpYourselves
The Duck feeders/UntRuthy/TP/PMoGS is/are back again.
DeleteThe alphabet people can't get enough of straight baiting.
Treat them with the contempt they deserve and ignore them.
How strange.
DeleteWe're not the ones catching and spreading Monkeypox.
Au revoir encore TP.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-62435204
DeleteMercifully, the answer to the question "Up Yourselves" is obviously a resounding No!
There's nothing healthy about gay sex any more than there's a healthy sun tan.
You go ahead and enjoy yourself sweetpea.
Gay sex is all very well, but it's nothing like as good as the real thing!
DeleteUp Himself needs some clarification and education.
How does a lesbian Bishop get away with parading her girlfriend in front of the altar for the cameras? Such brazen disrespect and total insensitivity. Is there no-one able to remove her peacefully?
ReplyDeleteLW
How did an active Lesbian get ordained Deaconess and Priestess never mind Bishopesse?
DeleteBewildered
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DeleteWay back in the early 1960s, when I was just a teenager who had reached that stage in life when I looked at the values and beliefs around which my parents had constructed their lives and had found them wanting - not an uncommon phenomenon among kids in their mid-teens - I decided to look to the Church to explore alternatives.
ReplyDeleteA bit like 'Nessa in that intriguing comedy series 'Gavin and Stacey', I found myself asking the Anglican church - since I'd been conventionally been baptized by its rites, even though I'd had no subsequent involvement with it - 'What's occurin..?' Getting a response was a rather slow and gradual process, but I gradually got there.
Only to find, two decades later, that the Anglican church was definitively retreating from the answers which it had provided to my "What's occurin?'" query.
You live and learn. I now realize that Anglicanism turned out to be a dead end line of
exploration. Sometimes your explorations land you with dead ends. That's life - you can't win 'em all.
I don't know whether anyone has come across this in the Guardian.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/aug/02/justin-welby-affirms-validity-of-1998-declaration-that-gay-sex-is-a-sin
Seymour
What took him so long to reach that conclusion Seymour? As far back as 1533 Henry VIII - who despite all else too his Bible seriously - enshrined man-on-man sex into law; but before that the Buggery Act came under Ecclesiastical Court law; upheld by bishops over centuries until Harold Wilson repealed it (with some exceptions) in 1967. Generations of elstwhile bishops reading and interpreting the same Bible have considered it sinful. But nice to know that Welby might have come to the same conclusion.
ReplyDeleteAd Clerum
Welby is still playing his game of sitting on the fence to guard the Institution of the Church of England.
DeleteDoes he need to seek any authority to punish the wayward heretic provinces and bishops, surely as Head of the Anglican Communion?
He has the authority but obviously lacks the spine to use it and kick them out.
What a jerk!
What it tells me Ad Clerum and Justin Time, is that liberals will say and do anything to save their own necks. With the threat of a Private Members Motion to remove him in the General Synod hanging over him, Welby is thinking of himself. That is the problem with liberals - they have no convictions at all. If a vote of no confidence and removal from office hung over the plankers here in Wales unless they repealed their heretical Bill. They would sell the LGBT+ community down the river in a moment. Does anybody honestly think that the plankers would lay down their £48k stipends to make a stand for these people? They are 'hirelings' after all.
DeleteSeymour
Of course, I meant to say ref Henry VIII: 'enshrined the ILLEGALITY of man on man sex into law ..' In fact a capital offence. The last man hanged under the Buggery Act was in 1835; death penalty removed in 1861, but still a serious offence on Statute Book. The law might have changed, but Buggery is still practiced by homosexuals ... and the bible hasn't changed.
ReplyDeleteAd Clerum
Probably not their £48k stipends and perks Seymour, but more the realisation that they are neither equipped nor educated or qualified enough to find alternative employment in any other professional sector apart from (in certain cases) lavatory cleaners.
ReplyDeleteAd Clerum
@ Bewildered. 10:45 02 August.
ReplyDeleteSlow to catch up but how did these folk get through? By telling Porkies (not to be confused with Pinkies). Little fibs to their sponsoring bishops about their assurances of abstinence or promises of gay-living 'celibacy'. Once ordained, then whackeroo. Almost unsackable.
It wasn't published by AB but I did question recently if anyone might know of a priest of the C-in-W who has committed murder in the last 100 since disestablishment. Surely there must be one? For it appears to me that our esteemed ordained clergy, bishops included, have broken every other of the 10 Commandments as matter of routine. As a matter of shameless course in fact. Adultery, theft, falsehoods (false images too if you include Bishop Andrew's gormless photo-poses two-fingering the Holy Altar) the 'protect marriage and the home' decalogue long went out of the window etc. Defence against secularism (the first Table) is long forgotten and ignored. The only one - unless anyone knows better - they've avoided is Murder. Probably because the real 'Old Bill' would take that seriously.
Is it any surprise that Exodus 20: 1-17 - the Commandments - is never recited in churches these days? But in answer to your query 'Bewildered' then telling fibs is probably the answer. They tell lies and once ordained, fly their true colours. Not a good example is it ... but do they care? Not a hoot.
Old Bill
Those in authority who allowed the Ordinations must have been complicit in the lies, how else have the apostates avoided being defrocked once disappeared?
DeleteBewildered
When politicians break man made rules we are eventually rid of them but when it comes to bishops of the C in W breaking God`s rules it seems to be a different story. Bishops are meant to teach God`s rules not make up their own and then brazenly stand in front of God`s altar.
DeleteWe need a system to get rid of them. They are willing to break God`s rules on behalf of a very small minority but if they are allowed to continue then there is no way that God will bless the C in W and eventually it will cease to exist.
If Welby can`t stand up to them and chuck them out then he should go now.
Unfortunately, ME, Welby is not going to discipline any province or bishop. He made that abundantly clear in his letter to bishops on Tuesday. He also said it openly before the session on Human Dignity on Tuesday. The apostates are free to do what they want, and Welby is asking the Communion to turn a blind eye to it, just as he is going to turn a blind eye to it.
DeleteJust imagine the Ecumenical Councils of Nicaea, Ephesus, and Constantinople, preside over by Justin Welby, as they are faced with the heretics, Arius, Nestorius and Apollinarius.
"Well, you holiness, you might have heard about the heresies that are being spread abroad. We need to do something to instill orthodoxy in the ranks."
"Oh," said Patriarch Welby, "I suggest we turn a blind eye to them. We can't discipline them, and there is no point in deposing them from office; it will create such a bad atmosphere. Instead, we will need to learn how to walk together. Now that we have reached a decision on that, lets put the kettle on and have afternoon tea. It is far more civilized."
I think John Ellis is right. Anglican has reached a dead end.
Seymour
As far as I am concerned Anglicanism reached a dead end the day they fiddled the votes to allow women's ordination. It was stated at the time (and of course ignored and overruled) that it would be the thin end of the wedge and that an "anything goes" attitude would soon follow.
DeleteThe false prophets derided such fears as scaremongering but the test of time has confirmed who was right and who was wrong.
The sick alphabet agenda being pushed endlessly again by the BBC.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-62429851
The children aren't even safe at the Eisteddfod,while the parents look on and applaud their own virtue signalling.