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Friday 23 July 2021

Church in Wales abandonment

 
An upbeat Archbishop Barry Morgan in 2013 with his Ass bishop and then Dean, Janet Henderson
before her shock resignation. It's been downhill for Llandaff ever since.          Photo: Church Times


Few if any people have sympathy for a mother who abandons her children. 

In 'Mother' Church in Wales under Barry Morgan that is exactly what happened to Anglicans who remained true to the faith of the Holy Catholic Church, something the Church in Wales claims to do but patently does not as it becomes more and more secularised.

Reading about the new structure set up in Australia by GAFCON to help conservatives in dioceses that bless same-sex marriages re-opens old wounds for 'traditionalists' in Wales.

A new Diocese will "operate in parallel with any Diocese of the Anglican Church of Australia. It will have a Bishop, and the normal structure of an Anglican diocese such as a synod (church parliament and a standing committee)", something that Morgan and his cronies refused to do. Society bishops are banned from ministering in Wales.

Other Provinces have made provision for those who, in conscience, are unable to accept progressive ideas contrary to scripture and tradition. In Wales, after an initial nod to ensure the success of bills to allow women to be ordained, traditionalists have been abandoned without thought or consideration from bishops charged with caring for all. 

Other Provinces have not been so heartless so why have Anglican bishops in Wales been so cruel? 

One obvious answer is that traditionalists are a thorn in the flesh in a Church in which matters of the flesh and sexual preference are considered more important than one's faith.

Archbishop Morgan was determined that there would be no long term alternative pastoral or sacramental provision for those who did not share his secularised vision of the church.

Seeing himself as a 'progressive' bishop, Morgan followed the secular, feminist agenda of admitting women to the priesthood and to the episcopate regardless of scripture and tradition while liberalising sexual attitudes to permit same sex marriages in Church. He showed no consideration for those he regarded as opponents once the measures were approved.

Morgan even promoted his his own interpretation of the Bible to advance his cause and was promptly shot down.

The archbishop imported ambitious clergy from England to aid his cause leaving him with egg on his face. Most spectacularly following the resignation of the Very Rev Janet Henderson from her position as Dean of Llandaff after only a few weeks in post. That led to all manner of speculation and rumours of a non-disclosure agreement. 

More recently Morgan's manoeuvrings which led to the 'election' of  Joanna Penberthy as bishop of St Davids came badly unstuck. He had promoted Penberthy as 'the best person to be a bishop'. Experience suggests the reverse was true.   

Another of Morgan's casualties, Ass bishop David Wilbourne, complained of a "sustained campaign forcing him to quit". He often reminded anyone prepared to listen, or not, that he knew John Habgood, not the best acquaintance for some. It has been claimed Habgood 's intervention was responsible for the Church of England's acceptance of the ordination of women. 

The Rev Peter Mullin wrote in The Telegraph (£), 06 Feb 2012:  "This stinking fish has been a long time on the slab. Back in 1992, the church voted to admit women to the priesthood, but this was only agreed upon the intervention of the then Archbishop of York, Dr John Habgood, who insisted that there were “two integrities” within the church: the one that could accept women priests and the other that could not. Room must be made for both. If Dr Habgood’s agreeable compromise had not been accepted then there would not have been a majority in favour of the ordination of women".

The Church in Wales and the Church of England now ordain women. While the Church of England maintains the two integrities, traditionalists in Wales have been abandoned.

Initially bishop David Thomas was appointed Provincial Assistant Bishop but archbishop Morgan made it abundantly clear that there would not be another when Bishop Thomas retired in 2008. 

Another of Morgan's imports from the Church of England, Peggy Jackson used her position as Archdeacon of Llandaff to do all that she could to get rid of traditionalists, leaving them "to make personal decisions and individual choices, to find accommodation as best they can".

 She, in turn was to be humiliated when Governing Body rejected her mean private members motion which called on the bench of bishops to "cease to ordain those who, refusing the sacramental ministry of women, expect to rely upon the conscience clauses of the Code". 

Nevertheless, the process of abandonment in Wales continues. After Barry Morgan's retirement, the new Archbishop of Wales signalled no change in policy. There would be more of the same - but faster.

Barry Morgan made no secret of the fact that he would not oppose the appointment of a gay bishop. A strong contender to replace him was Jeffrey John, Dean of St Albans.

From Llandaff stalemate: After three days of deliberations (note the link comes under 'Politics'), the Electoral College of the Church in Wales failed to produce a bishop-elect or, as the Rev Peter Ould tweeted, the Church in Wales "couldn't quite bring itself to elect Jeffrey John as Bishop of Llandaff".

While some argued that the appointment of Jeffrey John would attract too much attention for the wrong reason, others suggested that he was just too bright for the rest of the bench who feared they would be overshadowed.

The Church in Wales has two more imports from England sitting on the bench. A partnered lesbian elected bishop of Monmouth and an LGBT+ banner-waving sociologist who was appointed to Llandaff where she enjoys experimenting in her diocese regardless of the effect on existing congregations.

In Llandaff the continued absence of Barry Morgan's placement, Dean Gerwyn Capon remains a puzzle, as does the cause of the swift departure of his predecessor, Janet Henderson but given the mire Janet no doubt found herself in I would guess that she told Barry Morgan what he could do with his scheming. 

It says much about an archbishop who prides himself on his Welshness that, save for the one exception who escaped back over the border, he imported failures from England to do his bidding.

So faithful Anglicans across Wales have been abandoned, as Peggy Jackson directed, to find accommodation as best they can.

Some will have found an accommodation in the Church in Wales, presumably with fingers firmly crossed, while others will have advanced their careers, putting their souls in peril in the process. Others just have their memories.

Wales must be among the worst provinces in the Anglican Communion but who cares? 

Certainly not its bishops.

46 comments:

  1. A big silence from Joanna P, which is not encouraging.
    Rob

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    1. On the contrary Rob, it's long overdue that she kept her mouth shut,and her resignation can be written.

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  2. Resignation, yes, and she can certainly Legg it

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    1. Pushed would be far more appropriate.

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  3. I always thought tits came in pairs but it would seem from the photographic evidence above that they also abound in threes.

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  4. I'm using this thread to announce to all Ven Pennington, Archdeacon of the South East Valleys, has passed to the Greater Glory of Our Lord. Requiescant in Pace

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    1. How sad, she died very young. That said, great that she managed to avoid ever being maligned on this site.

      Teaser

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    2. Perhaps, unlike Peggy the Pilate and others of Bazza's coven, she kept her mouth shut rather than upsetting all and sundry?

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  5. 1662, Legg it is far more approriate than pushed. "Pushed" gives the impression thatn the Bench (watch out for Splinters) would advise Mrs Legg to consider her position. Pushed gives the impression of the Gloved Hand (Boxing) helping. With "respect" to Joanna have some respect for Andy

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    1. I have zero respect either for DodoJo or Andy Pandy. They're both complete fools and the Church in Wales would be better off without out both.

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    2. Yes but unfortunately hey are both in situ

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  6. Dear Joanna (I am convinced you read this blog),
    For the sake of the Church it really is necessary that you resign as bishop. I am receiving feedback from lay persons holding parochial office that they will withdraw their service if you do not. You need to announce soon.
    Rob

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    1. Yesterday at church in St David's diocese the talk was all of "When is she going to have the guts to go?" I've never known such contempt for a bishop from clergy and laity alike.

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    2. Llandaff Pewster26 July 2021 at 11:28

      Then you can't have experienced life in Llandaff during the reign of the Grand Mufti of all the Faiths, bully boy --Barry Morgan. He was and still is beneath contempt.

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    3. And what about the sweet memories of Llanfair-Chester-chronicles Mr Pewster? The mere mention would deliver the demonic darting of His Darkness eyes. Followed by lava - red and molten. Hardly a dry eye in the room.
      Billy Pontin

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    4. One assumes you refer to the late great lamented Llandaffchester Chronicles?
      Hugely missed by all those with a sense of humour and another target of Darth Insidious.

      If ever there was a need for resurrection and a second coming, the Chronicles would have my vote.

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  7. PP. Reading the Llandaff news blog, it appears clergy are relinquishing appointments and leaving the diocese. Interesting for a diocese in mission mode

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    1. Mission mode?
      Mission impossible.
      Survival mode.
      And it doesn't deserve to survive.

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    2. Pray do tell, @Exodus, why feel yourself adequately qualified to make judgements about the survival of any diocese? That is anything other than the overwhelming case of 'older brother syndrome', you so apparently seem to be suffering from (Lk 15:28). WWA.

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    3. What on earth leads you to believe I have to justify my opinion to you?
      Who do you think you are, bully boy byzantine Barry?

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    4. Lux Et Veritas28 July 2021 at 17:00

      What qualifies you to discuss and describe any syndrome WWA?

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  8. Returning to your main thread, AB, I was someone who supported women's ordination to the priesthood, and I felt that the CiW got it right when it appointed a Provincial Assistant Bishop to care for those who in good conscience could not accept this move. I have a number of friends who found the move abhorrent, and some who even left and joined the Roman Catholic Church over it.
    What I feel was the ultimate insult to traditionalists was the excuse that a PAB cost too much, when the CiW then went on to fund three new archdeacon's posts. After all, the pay structure of the CiW is such that the PAB got the pay of an archdeacon. As we have seen in recent times, the concocted posts and the salaries which go with them are never ending, but treating traditionalists as valued brothers and sisters isn't worth the stipend.
    Seymour

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    1. That's because they're not really valued at all but considered, at best, to be an inconvenient nuisance.

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    2. When the decision was made, I anticipated that what Gabriel states would ultimately turn out to be the case. The Church very readily - and arguably rather glibly - proclaims itself to be a 'divine society'. The reality is that very often it turns out, in practice, to be an all too human one!

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    3. @Gabriel.
      Hole in one.
      But he who laughs last etc.
      The Cathedral and Diocese of Llandaff are being taught the cost of biting the hands that feed them, fiddling the organ appeal accounts and making the Choir redundant.
      Numbers and giving continue to plummet and repeated claims of launching big stewardship campaigns come to naught.
      If it wasn't for the Friends and handouts from the RB, Llandaff Cathedral would have been bankrupt years ago.

      DodoJo isn't the only one who should go, the antiques dealer in the Llandaff Deanery also needs to walk the plank.

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    4. Yes 1662. And what about the Darth Insidious, commonly known as His Darkness? Isn't this all down to one man who was governed by a greed as much an ego meter system?

      Perhaps an Ecclesiastical Sponsored Lying Competition could leave Llandaff Cathedral debt free for decades to come?
      Billy Pontin

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    5. Lux Et Veritas29 July 2021 at 16:50

      @1662

      Not forgetting the concealed communicant numbers and the hidden Quinquennial reports.

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  9. Joanna,
    How long? How long? Put us out of our misery.
    Dom

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    1. Until the sick pay runs out.

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    2. Or, as Judge bungle - His Hon Michael Evans QC said from the chair of the Governing Body (Church Times 1999) "How long is a piece of string"? (Google Scandal and Offence)
      Billy Pontin

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  10. Athelstan Riley30 July 2021 at 12:07

    I'm curious, AB, as to whether you will be starting a new thread concerning the appointment of a Chief Executive whose unenviable task it will be to steer the sinking ship that is Llandaff Cathedral into more navigable waters?

    Clealry the Bishop has had enough of the Dean's obfuscations (of which 'ill health' is just another manifestation). If my sources are in any way correct, the strategy seems to be that the Dean is hoping that he can hang on to his sick pay until the Bishop must retire (she now has less than 20 months to run); after which he will undergo a miraculus recovery. If one or two suggestions I have heard are correct, he is being advised in this regard by no less a personage that a former incumbent of the See of Llandaff.

    If the current Bishop has been advised of this, she is moving quickly to ensure that the return of this particular non-native never happens. A Chief Executive will have the power to probe every nook and cranny, financial and otherwise, and I am preapred to bet my biretta to your zucchetto that evidence of malpractice 'unbecoming a clerk in holy orders' will soon emerge, necessitating disciplinary action and 'early retirement.'

    I know the Bishop is not exactly a heroine of this blog - and for good reason. But you have to hand it to her. Having come from a major deanery in the Church of England, she knows a thing or two about what running a cathedral involves. She can only have looked on aghast at the Golfer's Caddy, with all the arrogance and incompetence he embodies. And then when she flushed out his less than candid comportment, he headed for the hills (or Ynys Mon) to see who would blink first. Anyone who has worked within loud-hailer distance of June Osborne would have been able to tell him that turning a blind eye to treachery is not in her DNA. But her master-stroke has been to announce the Chief Executive's slaray, which is less than a decanal stipend in the Church in Wales; thus dissololving any accustations that vast sums are being splashed out on overpaid technocrats and consultants.

    Meanwhile, as other esteemed contributors have pointed out, the mission of the cathedral (not to mention its future financial security), as well as the pastoral care of its dwindling congregation, can go to hell in a hand cart as far as the Dean is concerned. Having been found out, you would have thought he would have the good grace to put the needs of others before his own self-serving, narcissistic needs. But, as we all know, he has learned what he knows at the feet of the Master.

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    1. The ears in the walls report a massive bust-up between Caiaphas and her predecessor, the Sith lord --Darth Insidious, who's reportedly given his support to the dud in the Deanery and is still trying to operate the levers of power from behind the curtain of his technology room at Llys Ego in Whitchurch.

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    2. If both are an item 1662, then surely we should marvel rather then condemn.

      Willie Wombads

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    3. What drivel is that wormtongue?

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  11. Baptist Trainfan31 July 2021 at 09:27

    FYI Interview with +Bangor: https://www.thenational.wales/news/19479873.exclusive-interview-andy-john-bishop-bangor/

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  12. More journalistic fluff and click bait for the few remaining gullible pew-sitters.

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  13. If anyone ever needed the proof that Andy Pandy is a complete air head then it's now in the public domain.

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    1. If that moron is going to be the next Archbishop of Wales then God help us all.

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    2. I honestly thought it could not possibly get any worse after byzantine --Barry Morgan.
      How wrong could I be?

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  14. PP. Can't the Church RB widen the selection scope beyond the 6? Surely if Andy doesn't get the votes, it's going be one of 3 Gregory, Joanne or Cherry? June is too near retirement and the new +SB will be too early in episcopal orders unless he/she is already consecrated with strong years of leadership - ?

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    1. That would have to be a change to the constitution. Do you think the five 'bishops' on the bench would agree to that. Misery Areas must be brought in because the Harries review said so. The same review recommended ditching two to three diocese. Not going to happen, they are self perpetuating Pillars of salt.

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    2. PP, it's clear that you really have no idea so just do us all a favour and keep your nonsense to yourself.

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  15. Abandonment is the right word AB.
    The ears in the walls report that Ms Henderson has left the "church" altogether having become entirely disillusioned with it.

    If so, now she knows how the Anglo Catholic traditionalists feel.
    Misery likes company.

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  16. Do you really think anyone outside of the couple of hundred saddo hangers on, a few sycophantic clergy and the obvious candidates even give a flying fig!?
    Wake up and smell the coffee.

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