Church in Wales bishops Joanna, Cherry (elect) and June Original source: BBC/Twitter |
Readers may be familiar with the popular BBC comedy panel show Would I Lie to You? where contestants have to bluff about their deepest secrets while the opposing team have to find out which ones are true.
A massive bluff has been disclosed as a lie by one of the pioneers of 'gender theory'. He has admitted that he and his colleagues "basically just made it up".
From the Coalition for Marriage:
"In an article in online magazine Quillette, former gender historian Christopher Dummitt explains how he and his fellow academics simply ignored the innate differences between men and women. In this way they 'proved' that 'sex was wholly a social construct'.
"In an article in online magazine Quillette, former gender historian Christopher Dummitt explains how he and his fellow academics simply ignored the innate differences between men and women. In this way they 'proved' that 'sex was wholly a social construct'.
"What's worse, everyone was at it. 'Everyone was (and is) making it up. That's how the gender-studies field works', he confesses. Over the past 30 years, whole university departments have been taken over by subjects like 'gender history' and 'gender studies', which perpetuate the fiction that sex is not a 'biological reality'.
"Disagreeing with this nonsense is increasingly being regarded by our society as 'tantamount to hate speech'. It’s also being used to push all kinds of dangerous ideas to school children.
"The peer review process, far from providing a check on this groupthink, only made it worse. It was no better than a 'form of ideological in-group screening'.
"Dr Dummitt says that 'critics of the social constructionists are right to raise their eyebrows at the so-called proof presented by alleged experts'.
Parts of the Anglican Church were quick to pick up on the opportunity presented by gender theory to promote a non-biblical lifestyle as if somehow endorsed by references in the Bible to love, compressing its many forms into one. Their distortions have been used to accuse people who disagree with them as prejudiced homophobes and bigots simply for holding contrary opinions.
Despite constant claims of LGBT persecution in the Church, Archbishop Barry Morgan said way back in 2008: "There are a huge number of gay clergy and gay partnered clergy. There’s no reason why they shouldn’t be bishops and they will be. We’re not arguing about if, we’re just arguing about when." He also said that he would be willing to consecrate Britain’s first openly gay bishop despite fears that such a move would further split the Anglican Communion.
Today there is a plethora of gender study courses even at some of the most prestigious universities. They are predominantly attended by women suggesting perhaps that either some women are more gullible or that they saw an opportunity to beat the Church into submission by making her more relevant to society.
The 'madness' began in the United States.
In his book The Crockford's File William Oddie wrote about the suicide of Dr Garry Bennett in December 1987 after he anonymously wrote the Preface to the 1987 Edition of Crockford's Clerical Directory: "The problems of modern Anglicanism are highlighted by the case of the Episcopal Church in the United States"(ECUSA).
Oddie writes
"Their intention was to make the Church more relevant to society's perceived needs so that more and more Americans would find those needs answered within the Episcopal Church.
"The Episcopal Church had been in decline for over 20 years. In 1968 ECUSA had 3,588,435 members. By 1989 this had dropped to 2,420,000. This decline had taken place against a steady increase in churchgoing in the American population as a whole, an increase which has been going on steadily since the1950s. During the same period, the classification of ECUSA by the Library of Congress in Washington has changed: it has now been demoted from the status of a 'denomination' to that of a 'sect'."
Gene Robinson was elected bishop coadjutor in 2003 then diocesan bishop, the first priest in an openly gay relationship to be consecrated a bishop in a major Christian denomination believing in the historic episcopate. This was followed in 2009 by the election of Mary Glasspool as a suffragan bishop in the Episcopal Diocese of Los Angeles. She is an openly gay woman living with her partner.
Amazingly the Archbishop of Wales, Dr Barry Morgan, adopted the ECUSA experiment as his model for advancing a programme of regularising homosexuality in the Church in Wales.
The retirement of Barry Morgan presented the ideal opportunity to right Morgan's wrongs. Instead the bench of bishops under their new archbishop, John Davies, chose "more of the same" - but faster.
A seasoned LGBT campaigner the Dean of Salisbury, June Osborne, whose advance in the Church of England had, like other imports from England, come to an abrupt halt, was elevated to bishop of Llandaff . She joined another LGBT campaigner on the bench who had been fanfared as the first woman bishop in the Church in Wales, Joanna Penberthy. She had been appointed under Barry Morgan's presidency in what many believe was the first of three episcopal stitch ups.
Osborne's influence led to the first transgender priest in Wales, since elevated to Canon of Llandaff Cathedral, presumably for her work in promoting transgenderism, followed recently by the appointment of the first bishop in a same sex relationship as bishop-elect of Monmouth.
Given the decline of ECUSA (now TEC), the slavish adherence of the Church in Wales and, indeed, of the Church of England, to the United States model remains a puzzle to orthodox, mainly cradle, Anglicans who have been abandoned by the liberal-minded new Anglicans.
The most charitable explanation is that gender studies motivated people to press for the Church to make a stand for the equality of women in the workplace. The consequences have been intolerance and exclusion despite promising that there would be no victimisation of those who in conscience could not accept the ordination of women and all the liberal theology that has followed it.
Many bishops would have you believe that gender studies (feminism, gender, politics and queer studies) make the church more relevant to society.
It's a lie!
The 'madness' began in the United States.
In his book The Crockford's File William Oddie wrote about the suicide of Dr Garry Bennett in December 1987 after he anonymously wrote the Preface to the 1987 Edition of Crockford's Clerical Directory: "The problems of modern Anglicanism are highlighted by the case of the Episcopal Church in the United States"(ECUSA).
Oddie writes
"Their intention was to make the Church more relevant to society's perceived needs so that more and more Americans would find those needs answered within the Episcopal Church.
"The Episcopal Church had been in decline for over 20 years. In 1968 ECUSA had 3,588,435 members. By 1989 this had dropped to 2,420,000. This decline had taken place against a steady increase in churchgoing in the American population as a whole, an increase which has been going on steadily since the1950s. During the same period, the classification of ECUSA by the Library of Congress in Washington has changed: it has now been demoted from the status of a 'denomination' to that of a 'sect'."
The Archbishop of Wales, Dr Barry Morgan with The Right Reverend Gene Robinson Photo: John Robertson. Source: Telegraph |
Amazingly the Archbishop of Wales, Dr Barry Morgan, adopted the ECUSA experiment as his model for advancing a programme of regularising homosexuality in the Church in Wales.
The retirement of Barry Morgan presented the ideal opportunity to right Morgan's wrongs. Instead the bench of bishops under their new archbishop, John Davies, chose "more of the same" - but faster.
The Dean of Salisbury addresses Gay Pride marchers. Source: Facebook |
Osborne's influence led to the first transgender priest in Wales, since elevated to Canon of Llandaff Cathedral, presumably for her work in promoting transgenderism, followed recently by the appointment of the first bishop in a same sex relationship as bishop-elect of Monmouth.
Given the decline of ECUSA (now TEC), the slavish adherence of the Church in Wales and, indeed, of the Church of England, to the United States model remains a puzzle to orthodox, mainly cradle, Anglicans who have been abandoned by the liberal-minded new Anglicans.
The most charitable explanation is that gender studies motivated people to press for the Church to make a stand for the equality of women in the workplace. The consequences have been intolerance and exclusion despite promising that there would be no victimisation of those who in conscience could not accept the ordination of women and all the liberal theology that has followed it.
Many bishops would have you believe that gender studies (feminism, gender, politics and queer studies) make the church more relevant to society.
It's a lie!
I am currently reading Serenhedd James's magisterial history of the Cowley Fathers, who through dedication to their Rule and faithfulness to Catholic principles enjoyed over several decades considerable success in winning souls for Christ and his Church. In 1945 their then Superior General, Fr O'Brien, 'prophesied that the Scheme [for the formation of the united "Church of South India", in which non-episcopally ordained clergy would be recognised as eucharistic celebrants on a par with those canonically and properly ordained] would have the effect of "introducing into the Anglican Communion a seed of disintegration and decay which whether slowly or swiftly [would] surely do its work"' (page 343). I think we must recognise that this 'seed' has indeed brought forth fruit abundantly, or, to change the metaphor, that the rot introduced into the Anglican organism in the 1940s has almost completely succeeded in destroying its Catholic character. Female "ordination", gay "marriage", liturgical anarchy -- has any prophecy been more clearly fulfilled?
ReplyDeleteAnd funerals conducted by laymen!
DeleteActually there is well established precedent for lay-led funerals, as in the case of those dying at sea. Burial of the dead is not a sacrament, so any suitable person may officiate, if duly authorised. In France -- where the shortage of clergy is more acute than in this country -- it is quite usual for funerals to be conducted by laypeople, many of them female. Of course such services can't include a Requiem Mass, but I believe a "two-tier" system operates: priest-led Mass-including funerals for those who were in the habit of going to church, and lay-led non-eucharistic ones for others.
ReplyDeleteSimilarly, emergency baptisms are performed by lay persons, but that is not to make it the norm. A devaluation of priesthood has been allowed to happen, if not encouraged (not to mention a lack of professionalism), within the CinWs in recent years. All these additional worship leaders and focal ministers (St Davids diocese especially) illustrate the point. Too many people are intent on becoming mini priests. It won't do.
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Would Barry Morgan lie to you? "There are a huge number of gay clergy and gay partnered clergy. There’s no reason why they shouldn’t be bishops and they will be..." Except that a few weeks after making that statement, he presided over the electoral college for Bangor. Not only did he rule-out Jeffrey John as a candidate (despite his Johnsonesque protestations that he did no such thing - even ringing the Editor of the Church Times to tell him not to publish a letter from an elector who was ready to spill the beans); he allowed Cyanide Sue and the Lavatory Attendant to declaim unsubstantiated fabrications about another candidate (who was - is - no easy pushover for those with bullying tendencies and a good friend to those with whom he disagrees theologically), only to let in... well, now we know, don't we? This is what the Golfer meant when he said there would be gay partnered bishops.
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile, Cherry Vann cannot be honest with the Diocese she believes she is called to lead.
Dysfunction, followed by dysfunction, followed by more dysfunction. No wonder the C in W is falling off the cliff edge.
PP. Forgive me if I am missing something. Bangor Bugle, are you saying a former AB is this way inclined and a current Bishop is now in tgmhat direction? If this is the case no wonder the recent election was a game set and match.
ReplyDeleteSorry, PP, if my previous post was opaque (the C in W bishops must be having an effect on me!). No, I don't mean the former Archbishop is 'this way inclined' (so far as I know!); but I am suggesting (as a matter of informed opinion, just so AB can publish this and be spared any legal nonsense) that, as a result of the election that ruled-out Jeffrey John, we have a bishop who is not only 'this way inclined' but 'this way involved' too.
DeleteI hope that clarifies matters in a way that will give AB room to publish.
And if there was any chance of Jeffrey John being nominated for Monmouth it would have been stamped on by the Abp. Why? Not because of John's "gaiety", but because he would have felt quite inadequate with a real theologian as a newby on the Bench. Come on, Cherry -- stand down, and let JJ (a celibate gay, let's remember) restore some theological depth to the Welsh Church!
ReplyDeleteAt least a canonry in the offing?
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When will you all learn?
ReplyDeleteThe Church in Wales is already moribund and has become just a turd that you are trying to polish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5PuYe9zELg
ReplyDeleteThis lecture (several short Youtube posts) is a fascinating summary of Anglocatholicism and the genesis of the ordinariate. I accept women's sacramental ministry myself but I continue to be sympathetic to those who don't not least for the reasons outlined in this lecture
"Would I Lie to You?" That's the question missing from the advert in this morning's Church Times for a new organist at Bangor Cathedral. Also missing is "Would I Bully You?" and "Would I Treat the Cathedral Choir as Dispensable When Bob the Builder's Choir get to Appear on Songs of Praise?"
ReplyDeleteAnyone who applies for that job is either absolutely desperate or seriously delusional - or both.
PP. If every diocese was able to put strong people on the GB, the laity would have a much better chance of changing the status quo. A recruitment of the under represented below 40s and a ceiling on age and tenure might help. You could also include the house of clergy.
ReplyDeleteWhatever happened to the commission outcome of the ABs role and permanent see in Llandaff or, the no see option discussed?
The fact we will now have a 50/50 gender split on the bench, with a percentage of 1 rep LGBTQI, the next option could be a person of colour? Imagine one of the African bishop's accepting a diocesan appointment, that would upset the apple cart, and for good reason. But according to my calculation no see will be vacant for sometime soon.
PP, don't you realize that the Bishops vet the appointments to GB before they are announced? Both the laity and the clergy can vote for whomsoever they choose, but the Bishops decide who will take up the places on GB. How else do you think the Bishops get their way at GB? I can assure you that it has got nothing to do with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I am told that in Swansea and Brecon Diocese, it has got so bad that the clerical secretary has to plead with people to put themselves forward on an annual basis due to episcopal interference in the process. It is all part of the swamp that needs to be drained.
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Credit where credit is due to June after last night's Confirmation in Llandaff Cathedral. Bishop Philip North presiding with joyful gravitas, the place packed with people, an unquestionable sense of Catholic continuity. This kind of generosity should not be overlooked when Barry the Golfer would have driven his Mercedes into the Taff before ever inviting a bishop of another integrity into the Diocese - let alone his strongly defended Cathedral.
ReplyDeleteHopefully, this will not be a one-off, and it will mean that parish priests are not having to covertly smuggle their parishioners over the border to be confirmed by the Bishop of Ebbesfleet. That can only be good for cohesion across the Diocese.
In the meantime, those of us who appreciate the cost to June of extending this invitation (I can only imagine the flack that's been coming in from the Wigley-Pilate cabal, let alone the snide remarks from the likes of Andy Crap and his sycophants) should be big enough to say so.
PP. What a good move from +June. If the other two follow similar methods then it will go part way to acknowledging the growing need of our Anglo Catholic brethren.
DeleteThe cost to Caiaphas?
DeleteThe real question is this.
Were the collection monies snaffled once again to top up the Bishopette's unaudited "discretionary" slush fund?
The Church of England did away with the arcane notion of "discretionary" slush funds years ago, so why does Llandaff still have one (if not to pay for various jollies to barns in the west country or Compostela)?
As someone in a position to know, Subversive Canon, i can tell you that all diocesan bishops in the Church of England have discretionary funds. They are often the sources of funding for clergy and licensed lay workers (and their families) needing urgent assistance with unexpected hardship, support for medical needs (whether urgent mental health issues, or the need for a speedy private consultation when a serious illness is diagnosed and the NHS waiting list is too long), etc. In one case I know, a clergy child was taken seriously ill while on an exchange year in the USA, and the discretionary fund enabled the priest and his wife to be at their child's bedside within hours, when they simply didn't have the ready cash to buy air tickets without going into debt. These discretionary funds are always included as part of an annual audit required by the Church Commissioners. They are not included in the diocesan report and accounts simply because it is the Church Commissioners, and not the Diocesan Board of Finance that funds the Bishop's ministry.
DeleteIn that sense, the Bishop of Llandaff's discretionary account is completely in line with other dioceses. If it is isn't subject to some form of auditing (and in a way that protects the identity of the recipients, for obvious reasons), that is not likely to inspire confidence, I agree.
But very good to know that +Philip North has been in Llandaff to confirm (regardless of the destination of the collection). A very good bishop, if I may say so. With Peggy and her irritating friend Jenny off the scene in four or five year's time, I would hazard a guess that +Philip's your man for next time round.
You would be well advised to read the extensive correspondence on this subject on a previous thread three or four years ago. You might be surprised to discover that perhaps you don't know quite as much as you think you do.
Delete1662, I can only speak of what I know, and how episcopal discretionary accounts function in the Church of England. If there is opaqueness around the one in Llandaff, the logical course of action is to alert the Charity Commissioners - assuming that the Bishop's discretionary fund falls under the remit of the Diocesan Board of Finance or the Representative Body.
DeleteAbsolutely
DeleteThe Charity Commissioners are merely a quango which is a waste of time and tax payers money.
DeleteThey took no serious interest in the information supplied to them concerning the missing £3/4 million from the Llandaff Organ Appeal or that the appeal was launched for £1.5 million to pay for an instrument quoted at £960k.
If only...
ReplyDeleteOne can but dream and hope.
DeletePP. +June seems to be getting on message in allowing +Philip into her Diocese as a visiting officiant. He appears to do a far amount in South Wales, visiting superior at Abergavenny Priory, and attending an event in St David's. So perhaps he is a candidate for the province at some future date. But it is apparently known that our two "My Ladies" are in for the long haul. As for Cherry Vann, the jury is still out following recent disclosures, surely a consecration ordination date will be forecoming soo..
ReplyDeleteHowever, it would have been a great joy to see +Phillip or, Jeffrey John in post a fitting end to ministry for the latter indeed.
Rowan's babes as they were know in Monmouth have much to answer for, as one Father at the time and now passed, was heard to say at a cathedral ceremony at which I was in hearing shot: "clergy in cassocks, stilettos and surplices with multi coloured stoles make the introit look like a pantomime" I wonder what he would have made of our current times.
Yes, bring on Jeffrey John for Monmouth. He has certainly been discriminated against. Unbelievable the 'three fixes'!
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I like that! The "three fixes"!
Delete'When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning or in rain?'
'When the hurly-burly's done. When the battle's lost and won.'
'That will be ere the set of sun.'