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| From a recent Tweet, "Still Proud, Still Here, Still Faithful". Source: Twitter |
The Facebook banner for the Faith tent at Pride Cymru event, eagerly endorsed by the Llandaff diocese of the Church in Wales - Proud to be supporting @TentFaith at @PrideCymru ❤️🏳️🌈✝️#WhereLoveMatters:
Llandaff Diocese @LlandaffDio Jun 4 Here's our take on #pride events:
"They celebrate love and affection. They celebrate equality and champion diversity. We are proud to be part of the #FaithTent at @PrideCymru ... whatever your faith, whatever your spirituality, all are welcome. See you at Pride :) @TheGatheringCdf"
The Faith tent is not about faith as received or about the excluded faithful who are 'still here' with nowhere to go.
It is about promoting a lifestyle that perverts words such as love, equality and diversity to suggest that if you do not support gay pride you have no love, do not believe in equality and dislike diversity, none of which is true.
As one MP said on TV recently when condemning protesters in Birmingham who object to LGBT teaching in teaching primary schools, "Love is all".
Love is all but it is to be interpreted in context. God is love. Jesus said, "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another." Clearly that did not mean getting into bed with each other.
In the Bible there is Agape, Eros, Philia and Storge all neatly wrapped up into love as the presiding bishop of TEC did at the wedding of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle. See More luuuuv and lots of it, for some.
This picture appears in a tweet "There's bound to be some fabulous entertainment for our young supporters in the @UberUK Family Area this year's Big Weekend!"
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Police with Wesh Pride Source: Twitter @PrideCymru
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How can a child understand what is being supported when clutching a 'Welsh Police with Pride' flag?
Gay pride marches have become a popular pastime for the constabulary. Anyone needing to dial 999 only to find that nobody is available as they are all busy it is possible that they are busy elsewhere, eg, here, here or here.
Flamboyant Gay Pride events are intentionally fun days out for the whole family but they have nothing to do with homosexual couples living quiet family lives. It is about familiarisation leading to normality.
Flamboyant Gay Pride events are intentionally fun days out for the whole family but they have nothing to do with homosexual couples living quiet family lives. It is about familiarisation leading to normality.
But there is a far more serious aspect beyond the fun and laughter.
Children are being targeted. They are targeted in primary schools and in the promotion of Drag Queen Story Time despite the admission from a drag queen that children are being groomed for the next generation.
Instead of supporting such deceit the Church should be speaking out against it.
Postscript [07.08.2019]
From a tweet by Rev Rose Hill, a Faith Tent organizer.
Just one of the many LGBTQ+ tweets @LlandaffDio highlighted on the Llandaff Diocese website 'Where Faith Matters'!
"We
are becoming a more welcoming, inclusive and diverse space" - Why faith at @PrideCymru is important and what you can expect from @TentFaith.
Apparently visitors can expect an 'eclectic mix' of
events talking about 'inclusive education' and a 'pride
Eucharist',
this year celebrated by the self-promoting transgender vicar of St
John the Baptist Church in the centre of Cardiff. Also a 'wonderful
worship
band' called Blessed Sacrament with 'drag queen' story times.
The Rev Rose Hill adds that it is important for the diocese to be there because "it shows those of us in the LGBTQIA who are of faith are welcome in the church and also that the diocese is changing. That the Church in Wales is changing, becoming a more welcoming, inclusive and diverse space.
Just like there are many LGBTQIA people, both lay and ordained, within the church so there are many people of faith within the LGBTIA community. And it is so important that we as people of faith within the community demonstrate the love and welcome of God to all," - Where faith matters'!
Clearly the irony is lost on the bench of bishops. Faith does not matter to the Church in Wales if you are an orthodox Anglican. There is no love and no welcome.
If the Church in Wales had continued to show God's love, welcome orthodox Anglicans instead of excluding them, the Church would not have had to struggle to fill the pews left vacant and beg for increased giving to support a failing institution.
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| Rev Sarah Jones vicar of St John's with Rev Rose Hill Source: Twitter |
I spend a lot of time ranting about words — their use and, increasingly, their mis-use.
ReplyDeleteThank you, AB, for providing us with a perfect example of the sort of thing that has me tearing my hair.
Do the proud posters of this C in W banner know what they are really saying?
“Still Proud” Not for long, as they should be reminded every evening in the Magnificat.
“He has shown strength with his arm and has scattered the proud in their conceit.”
“Still Here” Oh, and how! Louder, noisier, smugger and more ‘in yer face’ than ever. Their marches, strongly supported by bishops, become more vulgar, lewd and crude with every passing year.
Are they really something to take pride in?
“Still Faithful” To what? To Whom? Not to the Bible, nor to Christ, nor to the millions of faithful Christians throughout the world, nor, sadly, to the many marginalized Anglicans in Britain, especially in the Church in Wales, who find that their church has left them high and dry to like it or lump it.
'sow the wind and reap the whirlwind' comes to mind. They are self-defeating and risk a backlash in which we will all suffer. Does the Church know what it is condoning?
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Currently, the Sunday epistle reading at the Eucharist is taking us through the letter to the Colossians. It is clear from the letter that Epaphras had reported to Paul in prison that false teachers had arrived in Colossae and were supplanting the Christian Faith with false teaching. It is obvious from Paul's response that part of that false teaching was that the heretics had superior knowledge, far better than the first Christian missionaries. For Colossae read modern Western Christendom.
ReplyDeleteWhat is utterly shocking is that a bishop is supposed to be the guardian of faith and morals, yet one after another, they abrogate their responsibilities in order to look trendy. What it shows is that, here in Wales, we have a bunch of hirelings rather than Shepherds of the flock. A true Shepherd of the flock would do everything in their power to resist the corruption of the Faith.
What I take comfort in is that the good Lord is, bit by bit, removing the lampstand of the Church in Wales from its place. I hear of more and more parishes that are struggling to pay their quota, many having a significant arrears of quota too, of more and more parishes where numbers are dropping dramatically, and no-one is replacing those who either leave or die; of more and more parishes where the buildings need major restoration and no money available to undertake the work. The spirit of faithlessness created by the liberal hierarchy with their false doctrine of "anything goes" is coming home to roost, and I believe the good Lord is bringing this catastrophe on us. We have been "ashamed of him and his words in a faithfulness and perverse generation", so why should he take delight in us. We have forfeited our right to be called a "church"; and instead we have become the "synagogue of Satan".
Seymour
There is always a remnant. My feeling is that the liberal wing of the church may have reached its zenith, many of them are in the last 10 years of ministry and there is a younger evangelical and Anglo-Catholic cohort coming through. I hope very much that they will stay faithful to true Christian teaching and take their place as leaders of a renewed, more agile church not obsessed by buildings and keeping the institution on the road but desperate to share the Good News as priority number one.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure you're correct Whamab, but certainly not in CiW! Any young evangelicals are being driven out by bullying, and most of the young Anglo-Catholics are gay (and 'out & proud'). Outside CiW, the Lord is definitely moving.
DeleteHi Ed, I suppose it may be a little wishful thinking but what I am optimistic about is that a remnant Anglican expression will emerge whether outside the institution of the CiW or whether it takes forward the emaciated husk that is left.
DeleteOn reflection, there are a small number of large Anglican churches of an evangelical or Anglo-Catholic nature that have survived thus far, and may well have the mass to overcome pressure from CiW. I can only think of one evangelical one (in the very north of St David's diocese) and none at all further north. I don't know about Anglo-Catholic ones, but I'm pretty sure there's none in Bangor diocese.
DeleteI'm afraid as an ex CiW evangelical (now happily serving in a different denomination) that I don't see any hope for the CiW. Wherever evangelical parishes have existed, they are quickly killed off when the Priest leaves, usually with a liberal women replacing an evangelical. But clearly the Church will continue but not the Anglican Church in Wales. England is hopefully a very different story.The new Bishop of Monmouth will be an interesting appointment.......I'm guessing they won't be either evangelical or Anglo Catholic......
Deleteon a separate note did you see that Norwich now has a helter skeleter in it's Cathedral for mission purposes! However if that were true, why do they charge £2 a go?????
Whamab, I admire your optimism over realism. Within 10 years the CiW will be no more. In our parish last year, we lost 20 members, either through death, people moving away or simply leaving because of the pernicious doctrines that the bishops and GB are espousing. This year, so far, we have lost another six members through death. Not one has been replaced. These people were worshipping members, who contributed financially to the parish. They were not just on the electoral roll for the headcount.
ReplyDeleteAt our last PCC meeting, the treasurer reported the consequences of losing that many people in one go. She doesn't know that the Parish is going to meet the quota. If you attend diocesan events as I do, and ask people what is happening in their parishes, you will find a similar story.
You only have to go to the next level. If parishes cannot pay their quota, the dioceses cannot pay their clergy or pay for the diocesan structures. Once the diocesan structures collapse, the CiW goes with them.
What should happen immediately - and I mean September 2019 - is that the GB should censure the Bishops for deviating from their consecration vows and oaths "to uphold the doctrines which the Church in Wales has received" - and as a result of that censure, they should place them all in disciplinary measures and sack them. Only then might the good Lord relent and revoke the punishment.
Of course, God never leaves himself without a witness, but unfortunately, that witness is not going to be the Church in Wales. Call me a Jeremiah, if you wish, but even Jeremiah was proved right in the end!
Seymour
On a point of order Seymour, the Clergy are not paid by their respective Dioceses.
DeleteThey are paid by the Representative Body at a Provincial level where there is no shortage of money but a dearth of morals & leadership. The rot starts from the top.
As for the Governing Body doing anything meaningful or effective, you are urinating into the proverbial force 10 gale!
Lux et Veritas, I couldn't agree with you more. I don't hold out any hope of GB doing anything as radical as censuring the Bishops or placing them in disciplinary measures. The GB are as bad as the Bench for allowing things to get to where we are now. Both groups are made up of the loony left, and no longer speak for people in the pews. I was amazed that they didn't agree to the Pilot's motion in April. It is all about looking "with it", and being trendy, and to hell with the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
ReplyDeleteI don't know how the stipend system actually works, but in our diocese, the bishop constantly warns parishes that if they don't pay the quota, their clergy won't get paid. The point I was making is that parishes are creaking at the seams trying to find that money, and when the day comes when they cannot find that money - and it is not far away - the house of cards will come crashing down.
I genuinely believe that this is God's judgement as the apostle Peter warned. "For it is time for judgment to begin with God's household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?" 1 Peter 4: 17
Seymour
Unfortunately, when you look at the clergy now in the CinW you see little which encourages you to give. They seem to lack intellect, commitment and leadership. Concern for LGBT appears to be the only issue and a justification of their vocations. Not only traditionalists find it difficult to finance them - for what?
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PP. When you see a well respected Bishop trashed, his diocese fall apart, well oiled and gifted clergy leaving and in other diocese, bishop's behaving like politicians, decimating the parish system, bullying etc etc. Then finally see women bishop's both having some form of axe to grind, the meow Maecynru, with claws ready like talons to take out any dissenters to there tragic message, it beggars belief.
ReplyDeleteBut backing up, there are still clergy who battle on, parishes that love and bring hope in there areas. So all is not lost. But all is fragile. Prayer and supplication and returning to its first love is now the only way forward.
If by 'trashed' you are suggesting that the bishop was wrongly ousted please remember that the Archbishop commended the Dean and the Archdeacons for "quite properly" raising with him concerns about Bishop Richard’s well-being.
DeleteIn the latest Grapevine Bishop Richard wrote "sadly my health has not been robust. I have been ill due to an ongoing mental illness dating back to when Amy our daughter died ten years ago. It has left its toll and it is time to retire.
Don't listen to the mischief makers PP. They do the diocese a disservice.
Churchwarden
PP. Thanks Church Warden. I did think the saga was a little odd. Having known Richards reputation he is a true man of faith. I just pray his successor is able to unify.
DeleteSurely the Archbishop of Wales should be acting now to curtail the activities of the likes of Sarah and Rose with their perverse dedication to LGBT+ and their ridiculous 'faith tent'?
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À propos your ‘Postscript’ of 7 August: Interesting that the ‘self-promoting transgender vicar of St John the Baptist Church in the centre of Cardiff’ is about to become a Canon of Llandaff Cathedral – just a year after coming into the Province from England. How discouraging for those many priests have for so long served the diocese so faithfully. If you want to become a canon, arrive late and swap your willy for a fanny!
ReplyDeleteWhat profanity that the ‘drag queen’ ‘worship band’ should be called ‘Blessed Sacrament’. One wonders how far this can all go; and in the Diocese of Timothy Rees, John Morgan and Glyn Simon.
PP. It's getting worse for traditional Anglo catholics. The AB has signed the deed of union between St Paul's Newport (evangelical) with St Stephen & Holy Trinity Newport (Anglo Catholic). St Paul's website says they are going to blend Evangelical worship and Anglo Catholic worship. Based at St Stephen's Church. How do u blend such diametrically positioned congregations. Can this ever be done?
ReplyDeleteSt Paul's had a lease on the old post office in Newport, as there church was too huge to maintain, now the lease has ended, and they have lined up St Stephen's as a base. St Paul's old church remains on the market empty. How many more experiments can the church in Wales concoct? Next thing will be diocesan tiller girls and clergy girl bands, I use the term girls lightheartedly. Pax.
What vision do these clergy have? What do they want to achieve? It appears to be about THEM. There are many worthy causes to which they could attach themselves instead of parading at LGBT Pride crying 'Wow, look at me,me,me!' Priests they are not.
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Just noticed that the Diocese of Llandaff has recently imported another woman from England to be Rector of Canton
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