The end, indeed. The rot caused by pandering to secular liberal values is complete and both churches are apostate and now just cults. The church cannot transform the world if it conforms to it. To quote:
"God created mankind in His image as male and female, establishing a diversity of functions and gifts. These functions are complimentary but, as St. Paul insists (1 Cor. 12), not all are interchangeable. In the life of the Church, as in that of the family, God has assigned certain tasks and forms of ministry to the man, and others – different yet no less important – to the woman.
Christ did not become human; He became a man. This is why the priest, as an icon of Christ, is male. This symbolism is an integral part of the worship of the Church and cannot be divorced from it.
A bishop is called to be an imitator of Christ the True Shepherd, and a priest is called to imitate both Christ and his bishop. St. Theodore the Studite describes a priest as an ‘icon of Christ’ not simply because the priest resembles Christ in appearance, but because Christ Himself is the Great High Priest, and became man to save mankind."
@ Teilo (01.27 not Teilo 21.13): Maybe they didn't but they certainly did for decades in refusing women front line roles in HM Forces and if you knew anything about the Armed Forces you'd know their absolute key-stone roles as fast-jet pilots, front-line soldiers (including serving within Special Forces), commanders of significant and powerful war-ships ... roles a damn'd sight more important in our current delicate geopolitical and insecure world than the (incomparable) somewhat insignificant purpose of wimmin Bishops in society.
There are more HM Forces men who will readily 'follow their female OC/CO' into battle and respect her than there are seated congregants in Welsh churches. Are they wrong?
If you knew anything about HM Armed Forces you would know that the issue was (and still is) more to do with physical size , strength, stamina and morale than anything else. The double standards introduced for the BFT/ICFT were obvious examples. The causes of the empty pews are many but one of the biggest has been the forced introduction of false prophetesses and feminists like Mulally, Hudson-Wilkins, Treweek, Caiaphas, Cherry, Peggy the Pilate, Wigley, cyanide Sue, car crash Cathy, typhoid Mary et al. The rapidly shrinking sizes of congregations and our Armed Forces are not a coincidence.
You are correct in saying that there are many reasons for the declining number of people worshipping in our churches. Yes, there are some (I suspect not very many) who refuse to sit under the ministry of female clergy; what we cannot know is how many have been attracted to and brought into church by them, or by the knowledge that the Church is not totally dominated by men. Possibly more to the point, I wonder if the very public rows about male/female clergy and human sexuality/marriage have, whatever peoples' personal views on the subjects may be, acted as a deterrent in themselves: a visibly-divided Church is hardly attractive! [Apologies for such a long split infinitive!]
I can think of dozens who walked away following women's ordination but not a single one who joined as a result of it. The rows over male/female clergy and human sexuality/marriage have been going on for literally centuries if not millennia and demonstrably have not been a deterrent historically.
My 'fly on the wall' informant within the recent Bangor Diocese clergy 'mini Synod' tells me that the hapless second wife of the disgraced former Bishop/Archbishop Andy John, the Rev. Canon Naomi Starkey, took the full force of clergy colleagues when she stood up to try and defend her hapless hubby.
Most discussion at the closed-doors meeting had centred on how they, the clergy, had become 'victims' of the Sion ap Rhys fiasco from date when Andy John ordained him then appointed him as curate to sub-Dean to his lack of oversight and then weakly calling on +David Morris to clear up the mess. They, they said, had all been victimised by the fall out. The only voice of discontent was that of Canon Starkey with whom former Bishop John now lives in her Llanberis vicarage. 'Oh, how ridiculous to feel that way. I don't understand how you feel victimised!!!!'
Apparently, short of being booed or having lunchtime bread-rolls thrown at her, she was left in no doubt at the thrust of clergy anger. Whether she took the message back to the nest-egg Vicarage - Andy's hide-hole - isn't known.
Not known either is whether +David Morris attended. He after all is one of the more significant 'victims' of his former boss's deranged leadership.
I have to wonder whether 'Observer's' fly on the wall also mentioned the other off-agenda topic of Dioc. of Bangor clergy at their mini-Synod as he/she describes it.
The clergy dismay and humour that not only has the diocese of Bangor failed to appoint - urgently - an interim two-year Bishop but been unable to find someone of calibre to apply for it is ridiculous. Even Rome is able to elect a new Pope within a couple of weeks.
Yet on this coming Sunday, assistant Bishop +David Morris is forced to throw his hat in - (well his mitre) - leaving Bangor a totally vacant See. How ridiculous. Only six shrinking diocese in Wales and they can't find anyone brave or silly enough to step in as pretend cardboard cut-out Bishop for a couple of years.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp9mz34184po Same sex blessings rejected by the Church of England. Is common sense breaking out at last? Hurrah and Hallelujah.
Since when is +David a victim?! He is just as much up to his neck in it. This strategy he has of being a "naughty boy" (self appointed nickname from his days at St Michaels) to then throwing his naughty boy colleagues under the bus when things get too hot has paid dividends for him throughout his 'career'.
He and that mange tout have managed to get away with quite a bit. God help them if they ever end up working for a competent boss.
1. Canon Starkey was not booed or ostracised. 2. Lots of clergy and lay people were misled by SRE so victim is not an improper word. 3. Bishop David will be missed for his pastoral care. 4. Bishop Andy was welcomed by many at Bishop David's farewell
David Morris is no victim. He has ruthlessly sought power. His entire career has been building towards being a bishop and Andy Pandy over promoted him. David could do with learning humility in a rough parish somewhere before looking for his next post as a bishop. His sermon today was stereotypical of him - talking about himself. No wonder he and Andy got on so well.
@ Bangor escapee I have to wonder if you, 'Escapee' were among the huge and spontaneous throng who at sermon's end burst into appreciative clapping for the carefully scripted and very beautifully delivered sermon +David gave. And when the entire cathedral added to the applauding by standing, did you remain seated in your solitary protest .... or stand and clap too as evidence of your cowardly hypocrisy? I must say, over umpteen decades of church-going, I have never before known a congregation (including the large throng of priests and an archbishop) show such appreciation for a sermon as to stand and clap. I was almost expecting someone to call for 'Encore!!'
Ceri Lan, I am not a hypocrite. I did not attend and I have left the CinW and soon the Anglican communion because of bishops like Morris who cannot live within the discipline of the church. A nice bloke he might be, but a bishop of the church with his views is a wolf in sheep clothing. Bangor escapee.
If you think things are bad in the Diocese of Bangor, take a look at the Diocese of Blackburn - Dean of the Cathedral and a Canon either Suspended or off! Eyes down
The simple facts that Bishop John was present at Bishop Morris’ farewell and Bishop Morris did not prevent that happening tell me everything I need to know about how both see the other, and their part in the events of the SRE era and its aftermath. No shame at all, most likely no regret either, apart from being outmanoeuvred, of course. I also happened to see Bishop Morris’ Facebook post earlier - a very interesting spin on the position he has been left in.
Bishop David’s farewell service was well attended. Many will genuinely miss his warmth a unstuffiness. His preaching delivery was back to its usual standard too, though aspects of the content were well below what you’d expect from a bishop. It was in the main an attempt at building a degree of sympathy for himself and for the disgraced Andy John (who actually led the prayers!).
Morris mentioned twice that the diocese had lost two bishops in quick succession- which of course is true but without giving any of the context could be misinterpreted (as was the intention no doubt). The lack of context and the lack of theological reflection on this saga displays, maybe, why it was way too soon for him to be elevated to his position as assistant bishop.
Choosing John to lead the prayers also displayed a lack of judgement. The final chapter on what has gone wrong in Bangor has not yet been written and so any attempt at restoring John is premature. Especially since John himself has not shown any understanding of his part and failed so far to offer any detailed apology to those wronged. This hasn’t stopped Morris from beginning the process of whitewashing John’s part in the saga, however. Though there appears to be very little appetite among the Bangor clergy to join him in this endeavour.
By the way, Morris has been making it known that he is to receive a hefty financial package from the RB in compensation for the way he has been treated. He is particularly scathing about the Archbishop. Naturally, he’ll sign an NDA, thus ensuring the Church will be able to hide any failures.
And a final report from me from the farewell service. Morris was given a warm round of applause from many in the congregation at the completion of his sermon - enthusiastically joined by one Rev Naomi John. You might have been mistaken for thinking she was at the home stand of Llanberis FC, cheering on the winning goal of the Welsh FA cup final, so enthusiastic was her applause, clapping hands above her head, staring out the Archbishop. Quite touching really.
Oh come on 'Springer', I bet Julius Ceaser would have gone for a bit of financial compensation too had he survived the cowardly backstabbing of his Senators who were then akin to the modern day C-in-W 'Bench of Bishops'. And who's to blame +David for not demanding a fair 'severance' from the RB who like Brutus delivered the knock-out. There are so many similarities between events of the 'Ides of March' (Pompey) and the 'Idiots of Bangor'. Others such as the former Dean Susan Jones (also appointed by Andy John) demanded their pot of gold despite having stabbed themselves in the back. And the RB faced with increasing legal costs, simply capitulated, signed the cheque and then gave her a glowing reference to move on to become Dean of Liverpool.
As for the Rev. Canon Naiomi John, fanzone leader of the derelict and defunct ++Andy, what else would you expect. Who else would love and forgive him?
In my early days of C-in-W life there used to be something called 'The Board of Dilapidation'. It seems it's been re-created. PS: did any other sharp-eyes notice how grumpy, embittered, awkward and perhaps envious Archdeacon David Parry looked when congregants stood to applaud +David? I don't think he wanted to be there.
I wasn’t criticising Morris for going for compensation just making the news known to a wider audience. After all, one of his calls in his sermon was for more transparency. But you cannot compare Morris’s position to Sue Jones’s. Jones was pushed out of her role by John with SRE’s help. Morris’s assistant bishop role was inevitably coming to an end once there was no archbishop in Bangor.
Presumably the more correct term is 'redundancy' and not compensation. If the role of assistant bishop has been made redundant then the previous post-holder is entitled to a redundancy payment I would have thought. Compensation for the way the post holder has or hasn't been treated is something quite different.
Today, we have held interviews of an Interim Bishop of Bangor today. I am very grateful for all those, from the diocese and the province, who have been involved in this discernment process.
Any process of discernment has to be open to an outcome that it is not right to proceed in the way we hoped. This is what has happened on this occasion and so we will not be proceeding with the appointment of an interim bishop. Instead, I am going to ask the Governing Body's Standing Committee to recommence the electoral college process.
So, no interim bishop for Bangor. Full electoral college. No from Paul Davies the only credible candidate, I suppose. Due to the very serious ill health of the Bishop of Guildford.
Be assured +Paul Davies (Dorking) would have given Bangor a very wide berth even if not appointed interim +Guildford. He'd had a belly-full. Ditto the other longed for returnee, Rev. Can Dr John Daniels now of Hereford Dioc. but so loved in Bangor during his time here. Once bitten twice shy.
Due to all manner of failures - not least the incompetencies of those who sit in the Bangor interview board and the Electoral College - we're now draining the dregs of 'candidate' pits. It wouldn't surprise me if the Rev. Clifford Williams of Benllech throws his hat into the ring - and found to be the only contender! left standing!!! Not such a daft idea actually!!!
and why has there really never been anything official said about exactly what SRE did, why then then Bishop allowed him to do it, and also why +Llandaff has not be asked questions of giving she was assistant bishop for a time when SRE was dean and ceo
Now on that we completely agree. How that man has escaped any kind of censure or consequence ecclesiastical or secular is entirely beyond me. I also agree that +Llandaff should be held to account for any failings in her governance role whilst in Bangor.
I cannot imagine Paul Davies returning to Bangor. He is an able man who has a great future in the Church of England. He needs our prayers as he takes on additional responsibilities in Guildford Diocese.
It seems inept that David Morris was sacked before an interim bishop was appointed. Perhaps someone agreed to do the job and then came to his or her senses and pulled out.
I cannot understand how SRE has simply been allowed to disappear after all the damage which he did. I remain convinced that the bishops need to commission a formal inquiry into the diocese of Bangor and its cathedral since 2011 as suggested by Dr Prysor-Jones and Dean Gordon McPhate in the Church Times of 30 May 2025.
It might be helpful, AB, if you could publish the letter to remind people of the proposal from these two wise and experienced priests.
The mad-cap idea 'from above' to search for and select an Interim Bangor bishop was flawed from the start. Who on earth of any calibre or right mind would want to uproot their family, move to Bangor, sort out the massive problems only then after two years, to hand over the Diocese to someone else who might take the credit. Now, after a further period of prevarication and procrastination and wasteful time and resource, the RB and tiers of other 'governance' have decided to turn to Plan B, or perhaps Plan C or even XYZ. The archbishop's message to Bangor and wider (Wales) communion is that the search failed due to the process of discernment etc. But that it had been a good effort !!
Fact is - let AB be the first to know - there was only ONE applicant available to interview last week and he/she failed to come anywhere close to muster. No one else came forward. So the 'Loopy Tunes' plan had to be aborted. Now back to square one and probably another 6-12 months of waffle, indecision, incompetence. Meanwhile a perfectly capable, currently unemployed Associate Bishop of Bangor has been put on gardening leave twiddling his fingers ... or at least those which don't involve two of them raised in the FU 'V' sign.
"Nation.Cymru" certainly thinks so: https://nation.cymru/news/ex-archbishop-of-wales-loses-right-to-officiate-at-church-services-following-abuse-report/
Living in Lust and Filth personified.
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The end, indeed. The rot caused by pandering to secular liberal values is complete and both churches are apostate and now just cults. The church cannot transform the world if it conforms to it. To quote:
ReplyDelete"God created mankind in His image as male and female, establishing a diversity of functions and gifts. These functions are complimentary but, as St. Paul insists (1 Cor. 12), not all are interchangeable. In the life of the Church, as in that of the family, God has assigned certain tasks and forms of ministry to the man, and others – different yet no less important – to the woman.
Christ did not become human; He became a man. This is why the priest, as an icon of Christ, is male. This symbolism is an integral part of the worship of the Church and cannot be divorced from it.
A bishop is called to be an imitator of Christ the True Shepherd, and a priest is called to imitate both Christ and his bishop. St. Theodore the Studite describes a priest as an ‘icon of Christ’ not simply because the priest resembles Christ in appearance, but because Christ Himself is the Great High Priest, and became man to save mankind."
They said much the same about female GPs. Get a life!
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No, they didn't.
Delete@ Teilo (01.27 not Teilo 21.13): Maybe they didn't but they certainly did for decades in refusing women front line roles in HM Forces and if you knew anything about the Armed Forces you'd know their absolute key-stone roles as fast-jet pilots, front-line soldiers (including serving within Special Forces), commanders of significant and powerful war-ships ... roles a damn'd sight more important in our current delicate geopolitical and insecure world than the (incomparable) somewhat insignificant purpose of wimmin Bishops in society.
DeleteThere are more HM Forces men who will readily 'follow their female OC/CO' into battle and respect her than there are seated congregants in Welsh churches. Are they wrong?
If you knew anything about HM Armed Forces you would know that the issue was (and still is) more to do with physical size , strength, stamina and morale than anything else.
DeleteThe double standards introduced for the BFT/ICFT were obvious examples.
The causes of the empty pews are many but one of the biggest has been the forced introduction of false prophetesses and feminists like Mulally, Hudson-Wilkins, Treweek, Caiaphas, Cherry, Peggy the Pilate, Wigley, cyanide Sue, car crash Cathy, typhoid Mary et al.
The rapidly shrinking sizes of congregations and our Armed Forces are not a coincidence.
You are correct in saying that there are many reasons for the declining number of people worshipping in our churches. Yes, there are some (I suspect not very many) who refuse to sit under the ministry of female clergy; what we cannot know is how many have been attracted to and brought into church by them, or by the knowledge that the Church is not totally dominated by men. Possibly more to the point, I wonder if the very public rows about male/female clergy and human sexuality/marriage have, whatever peoples' personal views on the subjects may be, acted as a deterrent in themselves: a visibly-divided Church is hardly attractive! [Apologies for such a long split infinitive!]
ReplyDeleteI can think of dozens who walked away following women's ordination but not a single one who joined as a result of it.
DeleteThe rows over male/female clergy and human sexuality/marriage have been going on for literally centuries if not millennia and demonstrably have not been a deterrent historically.
My 'fly on the wall' informant within the recent Bangor Diocese clergy 'mini Synod' tells me that the hapless second wife of the disgraced former Bishop/Archbishop Andy John, the Rev. Canon Naomi Starkey, took the full force of clergy colleagues when she stood up to try and defend her hapless hubby.
ReplyDeleteMost discussion at the closed-doors meeting had centred on how they, the clergy, had become 'victims' of the Sion ap Rhys fiasco from date when Andy John ordained him then appointed him as curate to sub-Dean to his lack of oversight and then weakly calling on +David Morris to clear up the mess. They, they said, had all been victimised by the fall out. The only voice of discontent was that of Canon Starkey with whom former Bishop John now lives in her Llanberis vicarage. 'Oh, how ridiculous to feel that way. I don't understand how you feel victimised!!!!'
Apparently, short of being booed or having lunchtime bread-rolls thrown at her, she was left in no doubt at the thrust of clergy anger. Whether she took the message back to the nest-egg Vicarage - Andy's hide-hole - isn't known.
Not known either is whether +David Morris attended. He after all is one of the more significant 'victims' of his former boss's deranged leadership.
I have to wonder whether 'Observer's' fly on the wall also mentioned the other off-agenda topic of Dioc. of Bangor clergy at their mini-Synod as he/she describes it.
ReplyDeleteThe clergy dismay and humour that not only has the diocese of Bangor failed to appoint - urgently - an interim two-year Bishop but been unable to find someone of calibre to apply for it is ridiculous. Even Rome is able to elect a new Pope within a couple of weeks.
Yet on this coming Sunday, assistant Bishop +David Morris is forced to throw his hat in - (well his mitre) - leaving Bangor a totally vacant See. How ridiculous. Only six shrinking diocese in Wales and they can't find anyone brave or silly enough to step in as pretend cardboard cut-out Bishop for a couple of years.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp9mz34184po
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Is common sense breaking out at last?
Hurrah and Hallelujah.
This article says that the BBC got it wrong: https://viamedia.news/2026/02/13/leaving-in-love-and-faith/
DeleteSince when is +David a victim?! He is just as much up to his neck in it. This strategy he has of being a "naughty boy" (self appointed nickname from his days at St Michaels) to then throwing his naughty boy colleagues under the bus when things get too hot has paid dividends for him throughout his 'career'.
ReplyDeleteHe and that mange tout have managed to get away with quite a bit. God help them if they ever end up working for a competent boss.
Insider
Insider, are you suggesting a pattern of throwing others under the bus? Such an awful phrase to associate with a priest.
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1. Canon Starkey was not booed or ostracised.
ReplyDelete2. Lots of clergy and lay people were misled by SRE so victim is not an improper word.
3. Bishop David will be missed for his pastoral care.
4. Bishop Andy was welcomed by many at Bishop David's farewell
David Morris is no victim. He has ruthlessly sought power. His entire career has been building towards being a bishop and Andy Pandy over promoted him. David could do with learning humility in a rough parish somewhere before looking for his next post as a bishop. His sermon today was stereotypical of him - talking about himself. No wonder he and Andy got on so well.
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@ Bangor escapee
DeleteI have to wonder if you, 'Escapee' were among the huge and spontaneous throng who at sermon's end burst into appreciative clapping for the carefully scripted and very beautifully delivered sermon +David gave. And when the entire cathedral added to the applauding by standing, did you remain seated in your solitary protest .... or stand and clap too as evidence of your cowardly hypocrisy? I must say, over umpteen decades of church-going, I have never before known a congregation (including the large throng of priests and an archbishop) show such appreciation for a sermon as to stand and clap. I was almost expecting someone to call for 'Encore!!'
Ceri Lan, I am not a hypocrite. I did not attend and I have left the CinW and soon the Anglican communion because of bishops like Morris who cannot live within the discipline of the church. A nice bloke he might be, but a bishop of the church with his views is a wolf in sheep clothing.
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If you think things are bad in the Diocese of Bangor, take a look at the Diocese of Blackburn - Dean of the Cathedral and a Canon either Suspended or off!
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The simple facts that Bishop John was present at Bishop Morris’ farewell and Bishop Morris did not prevent that happening tell me everything I need to know about how both see the other, and their part in the events of the SRE era and its aftermath. No shame at all, most likely no regret either, apart from being outmanoeuvred, of course. I also happened to see Bishop Morris’ Facebook post earlier - a very interesting spin on the position he has been left in.
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ReplyDeleteBishop David’s farewell service was well attended. Many will genuinely miss his warmth a unstuffiness. His preaching delivery was back to its usual standard too, though aspects of the content were well below what you’d expect from a bishop. It was in the main an attempt at building a degree of sympathy for himself and for the disgraced Andy John (who actually led the prayers!).
ReplyDeleteMorris mentioned twice that the diocese had lost two bishops in quick succession- which of course is true but without giving any of the context could be misinterpreted (as was the intention no doubt). The lack of context and the lack of theological reflection on this saga displays, maybe, why it was way too soon for him to be elevated to his position as assistant bishop.
Choosing John to lead the prayers also displayed a lack of judgement. The final chapter on what has gone wrong in Bangor has not yet been written and so any attempt at restoring John is premature. Especially since John himself has not shown any understanding of his part and failed so far to offer any detailed apology to those wronged. This hasn’t stopped Morris from beginning the process of whitewashing John’s part in the saga, however. Though there appears to be very little appetite among the Bangor clergy to join him in this endeavour.
By the way, Morris has been making it known that he is to receive a hefty financial package from the RB in compensation for the way he has been treated. He is particularly scathing about the Archbishop. Naturally, he’ll sign an NDA, thus ensuring the Church will be able to hide any failures.
And a final report from me from the farewell service. Morris was given a warm round of applause from many in the congregation at the completion of his sermon - enthusiastically joined by one Rev Naomi John. You might have been mistaken for thinking she was at the home stand of Llanberis FC, cheering on the winning goal of the Welsh FA cup final, so enthusiastic was her applause, clapping hands above her head, staring out the Archbishop. Quite touching really.
Deiniol’s pet springer
Oh come on 'Springer', I bet Julius Ceaser would have gone for a bit of financial compensation too had he survived the cowardly backstabbing of his Senators who were then akin to the modern day C-in-W 'Bench of Bishops'. And who's to blame +David for not demanding a fair 'severance' from the RB who like Brutus delivered the knock-out. There are so many similarities between events of the 'Ides of March' (Pompey) and the 'Idiots of Bangor'. Others such as the former Dean Susan Jones (also appointed by Andy John) demanded their pot of gold despite having stabbed themselves in the back. And the RB faced with increasing legal costs, simply capitulated, signed the cheque and then gave her a glowing reference to move on to become Dean of Liverpool.
ReplyDeleteAs for the Rev. Canon Naiomi John, fanzone leader of the derelict and defunct ++Andy, what else would you expect. Who else would love and forgive him?
In my early days of C-in-W life there used to be something called 'The Board of Dilapidation'. It seems it's been re-created. PS: did any other sharp-eyes notice how grumpy, embittered, awkward and perhaps envious Archdeacon David Parry looked when congregants stood to applaud +David? I don't think he wanted to be there.
I wasn’t criticising Morris for going for compensation just making the news known to a wider audience. After all, one of his calls in his sermon was for more transparency. But you cannot compare Morris’s position to Sue Jones’s. Jones was pushed out of her role by John with SRE’s help. Morris’s assistant bishop role was inevitably coming to an end once there was no archbishop in Bangor.
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... in the same way that Kathy Jones was pushed out by SRE pulling Andy John's strings! Eye in the Sky
DeletePresumably the more correct term is 'redundancy' and not compensation. If the role of assistant bishop has been made redundant then the previous post-holder is entitled to a redundancy payment I would have thought. Compensation for the way the post holder has or hasn't been treated is something quite different.
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No not redundancy. He is to be paid off and will sign an NDA.
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If only I could give a flying f*ck anymore.
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ReplyDeleteDear friends,
Today, we have held interviews of an Interim Bishop of Bangor today. I am very grateful for all those, from the diocese and the province, who have been involved in this discernment process.
Any process of discernment has to be open to an outcome that it is not right to proceed in the way we hoped. This is what has happened on this occasion and so we will not be proceeding with the appointment of an interim bishop. Instead, I am going to ask the Governing Body's Standing Committee to recommence the electoral college process.
The diocese remains in my prayers.
Archbishop Cherry.
So, no interim bishop for Bangor then. A very terse statement from Archbishop Vann. Full electoral college then. Any thoughts?
ReplyDeletehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y5e32vwdwo
ReplyDeleteBishop of Lincoln arrested and suspended.
Bewildered
So, no interim bishop for Bangor. Full electoral college. No from Paul Davies the only credible candidate, I suppose. Due to the very serious ill health of the Bishop of Guildford.
ReplyDeleteBe assured +Paul Davies (Dorking) would have given Bangor a very wide berth even if not appointed interim +Guildford. He'd had a belly-full. Ditto the other longed for returnee, Rev. Can Dr John Daniels now of Hereford Dioc. but so loved in Bangor during his time here. Once bitten twice shy.
DeleteDue to all manner of failures - not least the incompetencies of those who sit in the Bangor interview board and the Electoral College - we're now draining the dregs of 'candidate' pits. It wouldn't surprise me if the Rev. Clifford Williams of Benllech throws his hat into the ring - and found to be the only contender! left standing!!! Not such a daft idea actually!!!
The Archdeacon of Wrexham has finally been given her marching orders!
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Resigned actually.
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I can’t find anything about it online yet. If true, I’m reliably informed it isn’t the first time in her career she’s needed to make a hasty exit.
DeleteShe’s off goose stepping with the Church Army in Yorkshire… She’s left a dumpster fire
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and why has there really never been anything official said about exactly what SRE did, why then then Bishop allowed him to do it, and also why +Llandaff has not be asked questions of giving she was assistant bishop for a time when SRE was dean and ceo
ReplyDeleteNow on that we completely agree. How that man has escaped any kind of censure or consequence ecclesiastical or secular is entirely beyond me. I also agree that +Llandaff should be held to account for any failings in her governance role whilst in Bangor.
DeleteI cannot imagine Paul Davies returning to Bangor. He is an able man who has a great future in the Church of England. He needs our prayers as he takes on additional responsibilities in Guildford Diocese.
ReplyDeleteIt seems inept that David Morris was sacked before an interim bishop was appointed. Perhaps someone agreed to do the job and then came to his or her senses and pulled out.
I cannot understand how SRE has simply been allowed to disappear after all the damage which he did. I remain convinced that the bishops need to commission a formal inquiry into the diocese of Bangor and its cathedral since 2011 as suggested by Dr Prysor-Jones and Dean Gordon McPhate in the Church Times of 30 May 2025.
It might be helpful, AB, if you could publish the letter to remind people of the proposal from these two wise and experienced priests.
Cymro Alltud
The mad-cap idea 'from above' to search for and select an Interim Bangor bishop was flawed from the start. Who on earth of any calibre or right mind would want to uproot their family, move to Bangor, sort out the massive problems only then after two years, to hand over the Diocese to someone else who might take the credit. Now, after a further period of prevarication and procrastination and wasteful time and resource, the RB and tiers of other 'governance' have decided to turn to Plan B, or perhaps Plan C or even XYZ. The archbishop's message to Bangor and wider (Wales) communion is that the search failed due to the process of discernment etc. But that it had been a good effort !!
DeleteFact is - let AB be the first to know - there was only ONE applicant available to interview last week and he/she failed to come anywhere close to muster. No one else came forward. So the 'Loopy Tunes' plan had to be aborted. Now back to square one and probably another 6-12 months of waffle, indecision, incompetence. Meanwhile a perfectly capable, currently unemployed Associate Bishop of Bangor has been put on gardening leave twiddling his fingers ... or at least those which don't involve two of them raised in the FU 'V' sign.
You might as well be asking Starmer to publish the Mandelson papers!
DeleteIs there any truth the rumour that John Davies, former archbishop, has had his PTO removed?
ReplyDelete"Nation.Cymru" certainly thinks so: https://nation.cymru/news/ex-archbishop-of-wales-loses-right-to-officiate-at-church-services-following-abuse-report/
ReplyDeleteIs that what's known as Heave Ho!???
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