Source: Wales Online
As the Church in Wales saga continues for all the wrong reasons the volume of comments has become rather unweildy so they may be continued here. Please remain on topic.
Emphasis remains on the election of the bishop of Monmouth as archbishop of Wales, not for her spirituality but for her sexuality which has resulted in other provinces breaking ties with the Church in Wales.
Postscripts
27.08.2025
Welsh discipline case examines ecclesial and financial misconduct at Cardiff church-plant Church Times
31.08.2025
Wales: Will they learn? Anglican Ink
02.09,2025
10.09.2025
Letter from the Archbishop of Wales to the Diocese of Bangor Provincial news, Church in Wales
12.09.2025
Statement from Bishop Andy Lines and Bishop Stuart Bell on the appointment of Cherry Vann as Archbishop of Wales Anglican Ink
Have the Church of Uganda and the Church of Nigeria much of a history of working with the Church in Wales?
ReplyDeleteUganda: yes certainly. One of Wales's finest bishops - and probably Bangor's best - was the Rt Rev. JC Jones plucked out of Uganda where he served under CMS, and of course, Bangor had a long and wonderful twinning the the Diocese of Lango for many years until it was simply dropped without so much as a reason, by Dean Susan Jones.
DeleteThank you - I didn’t know about the Lagos connection.
DeleteSorry, I meant to write Lango!
DeleteThe Church of England has plenty of ongoing sagas to worry about too.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/pensions/private-pensions/church-england-condemned-me-pension-poverty-sell-home/
The clergy pension in Wales is even worse than in England. But some of the comments on Ancient Briton have implied that retired clergy in Wales are living in luxury!
DeleteAuntie Alice
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3ezkplyxl2o
DeleteWhile some are merely helping themselves.....
Bewildered
https://youtu.be/g4CVqnV-jus?feature=shared
ReplyDeleteAnglican Unscripted 929.
Feauturing the Brain scandal and more on Cherry's deceit .
They need to check their facts, that pair! They talk of Cherry hiding her partner when people come to visit the Bishop's house. Not true. It's because of bigots like them that Cherry had to hide her partner at all.
DeleteWhat a pair of dopey dullards, they can't even be bothered to get their facts right.
AnglicanUnreliable
They're discussing when Offa's trench was first priested. 🤡
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No they're not. Listen to it.🤡
DeleteAnglicanUnreliable
It is patently obvious that Cherry was deceitful from the outset, as were her supervisors and superiors in the Church of England who knew exactly what she was up to but were cowards and turned their blind eyes rather than having the courage to challenge the deviance, deceit and rule flouting.
Deletehttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/26/church-of-england-alleged-breached-abuse-survivors-data/
ReplyDeleteChurch of England investigation into alleged data breaches of 200 abuse victims.
Bewildered
Well this has played into Andy's hands. If you want to distract everyone and get them off your back, throw a gay archbishop in the mix; that'll do the trick!
ReplyDeleteNo one seems to be interested in the scandalous and probably criminal events at bangor cathedral, nor the fact that Morris, Mange Tout, and the chapter are out there still practicing ministry.
Outofit
https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2025/29-august/news/uk/welsh-discipline-case-examines-ecclesial-and-financial-misconduct-at-cardiff-church-plant
ReplyDeleteJune Osborne was contacted for comment.
What's the betting Caiaphas will have nothing to say?
For a change!🤣🤣
Caiaphas, the gift that keeps on giving to Llandaff.
DeleteThis not only calls into question JuneO's discernment and judgment, but also that of the cretins on the Welsh plank who selected her in the first place.
As has been mentioned on earlier theeads, she was well known in Salisbury for believing she was a self-made woman and in love with her creator.
Salisbury was glad to be rid of her.
I've heard Shirley was thanked by Welby for taking Caiaphas 'off our hands'.
DeleteWhamab
Posdibly unable to speak due to stuffing her jowls with more large Clark's pies.
Deletehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0ml30vgykro
ReplyDeleteAnother one, the Pride of Metrosexual Plod.
Not only met his victim at a christian festival but is now Trans too.
Ticks a lot of boxes.
Listen to Gavin Ashenden on Catholic Unscripted.
ReplyDeleteSir Omicron Pi.
No thanks. Better things to do than listen to this dullard.
DeleteAnglicanUnreliable
I've certainly got better things to do than read your twaddle on here, but here you are anyway, impressing nobody.
DeleteI assume that Bangorians who are also occasional subscribers to Ancient Britain are still so dumbfounded or even shell-shocked at the latest cathedral saga that they haven't yet recovered sufficiently to report yesterday's antics to AB readers.
ReplyDeleteFor apparently, in a well 'orchestrated' act of industrial disruption, the entire choir abandoned their stalls just as the last hymn was about to be sung ... and walked out!!
And as part of their devious cunning, the hymn tune selected by one of them was so unknown and un-singable that the congregants couldn't pick up the pieces. No one knew the tune. Clergy at the altar led by the hapless archdeacon David Parry were left agog. There was no explanation.
Apparently, this walk-out was triggered by a rambling Facebook tirade by someone within the lay-choir against the clergy, the chapter, and even nasty people within the congregation. He didn't give his identity away but fingers are pointed to someone with initials 'S.O.' which could also be Sod Off which is exactly what they apparently did.
Add to this rumour that all cathedral staff - including the Director of Music - have been told to expect letters detailing mass redundancy 'lay offs' apparently being sent not by the new Dean but the archdeacon Parry. And further disquiet that apparently Assistant Bishop David Morris' name has been dropped from certain web and letter-headed mentions ... even though he officially remains Assistant Bishop. This ties with gossip that when Rev Manon is installed in October, it will be Cherry Van who'll travel to Bangor and not Assistant Bishop David officiating. But of course, no announcements to the congregants who are too insignificant to consult.
Hopefully, AB, one or more of your Bangor 'regulars' can fill in the gaps. Menai Straight perhaps, Ad Clerum, even Andy John himself now that he has nothing else to occupy his mind.
What a shame you missed it, Old Bill, as the walk-out by the choir was both powerful and dignified. I can confirm that not a single voice was audible during the final hymn. While I can only speak for myself, my motivation for not singing was nothing to do with complexity of the music.
DeleteOh, Old Bill, you're so obssessed with me, I'm flattered. You know my secret identity, I know yours - it's one of the great romances waiting to happen! Though I am a little hurt that you find me rambling... I guess my prose might be hard to follow after a snifter (bottle) or two of whisky or whatever it is gets you fired up to post on here.
DeleteAlso you have a rather poor grasp on the continuity and causality of the events you proport to know about. The walk out was triggered by the handing of the letters you say are "expected" to choir members last Thursday. The hymn was chosen well before any walk-out plans were made. My "tirade" was published back in July so it's a bit of a delayed reaction if people only acted on it yesterday! You really need to try harder to get your so-called facts in order!
You should have come along to the service and lurked at the back as usual - then you could have seen the crowd of choir parents lambasting the hapless (did you mean heartless?) archdeacon in question for nearly an hour. It was a sight to warm the cockles of any radical deviant socialist such as myself.
Kisses!
Scarlet (Cassock, of course, but not usually so on here)
Old Bill - having watched online it was an appalling act to walk out during worship, not least for the congregation. There is often talk of a rift between choir and congregation and this act once again shows the choir leaderships utter distain for the congregation and their only interest is in their own self preservation. Although the music itself is of good quality the constant distraction from the choir by their constant antics outweighs anything they bring to worship. Get rid and start again with the premise that they are there to serve god, the church and the congregation and not the other way around!
DeleteThe chocolate teapot has a mind?
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Did the Organist walk out too or was the unknown hymn tune played for the requisite number of verses?
DeleteHilarious 😂
These are very interesting theories Old Bill. I was surprised you came to these conclusions, considering someone with the initials 'M.R' was not in attendance that day. I heard he is unwell so send wishes of a speedy recovery. Now, a few corrections. Firstly the blog name is not "Ancient Britain", it is "AncientBriton". I understand this is likely a typo, so this is only to make sure you are well. Secondly, no member of the lay-choir has the initials 'S.O' as you described. I hope to hear more from you, or the "Bangor regulars" that you described
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DP
@RSS
DeleteThe choir has not turned their backs on God. It is diverse, so many will express their feelings differently. They have served God well for many years, and still do.
As for the choir/congregation rift, that is not either parties fault. I can however assure you, that act of protest from the choir was not done against the congregation in any way, as several congregants have discerned, it was meant for others, who have got the message.
I do ask that you appreciate the troubles happening, that deeply affected the choir in all parts of it.
They serve the church, but that does not mean the choir will take abuse lying down.
Faithfully
Mass Redundancies
I appreciate they won’t have turned their backs on god, however for many in the congregation the constant noise caused from the choir seems a distraction from worship. I completely accept there are many things that have affected the choir over the last few years, but the same can be said for the congregation. There does however appear to be a complete lack of self awareness from certain people in the choir of the fact that they’re outbursts either on social media or in the cathedral has a negative affect on others and the consequence of these behaviours do not further the cause of the choir.
Delete@Old Bill, has anyone seen the assistant Bishop since his absence? I thought he had gone back south now he has no one to be an assistant to!?
Delete@RSS
DeleteThank you for your reply. I do appreciate that it affects worship. That act of protest was meant to cause as little impact to the congregation as possible. It was specifically chosen to not cause a scene.
The self awareness comment is valid, but I'd like to remind you that the choir is diverse in many ways, so people do express discomfort differently.
I disagree regarding social media however. It is mostly a private matter what they choose to post. Sometimes it does go a bit far, but everyone is different.
Apologies for my last comment to @RSS. It did not include a pseudonym
DeleteMass Redundancies
I have much sympathy for the choir in this particular situation, if such redundancy letters were served as has been described here. But divine worship is not the place for an act of protest against redundancy. That, in my view, was a misjudgment.
DeleteThrough the night of doubt and sorrow
ReplyDeleteOnward goes the pilgrim band,
Singing songs of expectation,
Marching to the Promised Land.
Clear before us through the darkness
Gleams and burns the guided light;
Brother clasps the hand of brother,
Stepping fearless through the night.
Pertinent sentiments for us all. Look up the other verses which end with "the scattering of all shadows and the the end of toil and gloom". The tune is 'Rustington' by Sir C. Hubert H Parry.
Words and tune should be recognised by older cathedral worshippers as it was a favourite of a respected, long serving and now several years retired, Bangor organist.
Ted
Clearly not, Ted, as this was the hymn (or at least the tune) that apparently stymied the congregation yesterday! (and my apologies if that was your point, but I thought it might be conincidental)
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'Scarlet' above seems to confuse me with my old mucka AC who introduced me to Ancientbriton some ten years or so ago. To him, however, I assure I am in fine fettle, assure also that whisky is not my tipple and that his flirtations are misplaced. I am not inclined towards up-skirting his or any one else's scarlet cassock.
DeleteBut vis 'Ted' reminder of the hymn lyrics then slightly twisted they're pertinent indeed. Heading off to the promised land after walking off could be back to the Castle pub for Seven more 'Shots' and of course men walking off hand-in-hand with other men seems about right for Bangor.
What the prima donna lay-clerks of Bangor seem to avoid is that they are paid either pretty decent attendance fees or receive ££ bursaries. A couple are gifted free or pepper-corn city centre church owned accommodation. They have a good option. If they don't like it - they can walk out and stay out.
I'll hopefully be there for Remembrance Sunday when I hope the more appropriate hymn will be sung (with or without the over inflated performers) :: 'Oh God our help in ages past; our hope for years to come'. Nice congregational sing-along melody too. As for 'SO' who Scarlet denies as a choir-singer. I'm assured that he should think again. Shame that SO doesn't hold a Ph.D otherwise he could become known as SOD.
Well there's always been some mystery around you and Ad Clerum, Bill - I have been assuming it's a case of undiagnosed multiple personality disorder, so my apologies for not realising you are a fully-fledged person in you own right, if indeed you are. Clearly such confusions are easy to make, as you have attributed DP's comment to me - I have said nothing about what my initials are or are not, nor anything about who is or isn't in the choir.
DeleteI don't suppose you really know what a lay clerk is, but I'm going to carry on as if you did actually mean them (rather than choral scholars or choristers, who would be the ones to receive bursaries). The Lay Clerks of Bangor Cathedral receive £6,000 per annum for their singing duties (a total of 10 hours per week - just a whisker over minimum wage), with some receiving extra in respect of other (non-musical) duties performed at the cathedral. I know back when you were't lad down't mines £6,000 was a rather princely sum, but I can assure you that nowadays it is far from generous (and significantly less than the going rate for the same position at other cathedrals). Yes, some are housed (in properties already owned by the cathedral which would otherwise be empty), and this is a common arrangement around the country. Also, unlike every other cathedral, the lay clerks in Bangor are expected to sing throughout the whole year (everywhere else they are not required outside of term time) so the cathedral gets pretty good value for money in my opinion.
None of the lay clerks is protesting their pay, what they are protesting is being made unemployed (and in some cases, homeless) because the handsomely-paid clergy have made a complete mess of the cathedral finances. How very dare they!
Scarlet
P.S. I'm not sure how you think degree post-nominals work, but surely S.O PhD would either be that, or DrSO?
@Old Bill
DeleteI can assure you, I never denied 'S.O' as a singer in the choir, only that they weren't a Lay Clerk, which is very much true. For all I know, they may be in the choir, but no Lay Clerk has the initials S.O.
Secondly, I do think you have got a few things confused (no offense). As Scarlet says, Lay Clerks are only one of the positions offered in the choir.
And, Old Bill, you seem to be confusing me with Scarlet. I'm sure you know how it feels to be accused of being someone you're not, as this has happened to you before I believe.
Faithfully,
DP
Do the Bangor back row have contracts of employment and employment rights?
DeleteHave any of them had the nous to join the Musicians Union or Equity?
(Simon Curtis in the Cardiff office has some experience of dealing with disreputable employers like Cathedrals and Abbeys.)
Are they zero hours burger flippers like the present day Llandaff part timers?
What a shame you missed it, Old Bill, as the walk out by the choir was both powerful and dignified. The lack of singing in the final hymn was nothing to do with the complexity of the music, as not a single voice was audible.
ReplyDeleteMagic Roundabout
All so yesteryear, all so Llandaff 2.0, all so predictable, also redundancies.
ReplyDeleteStraight out of the bully boy --Bazza playbook of pastoral care for his employees.
SOD the Church in Wales sounds about right Old Bill.
Well done the above for reporting this latest Bangor fiasco even it it extinguishes all hope that the RB, Bench of Bishops and others that the promised positive turn-around of fortunes for both Bangor and the C-in-W was now sealed with the removal of Andrew John and Sion ap Rhys.
ReplyDeleteAs Old Bill's reports of 'rumoured' walk out now seems confirmed by some of the choir, then it seems to me that the Chapter has no option than to rid the cathedral of the whole lot of them from Director of Music down. If an officiating priest stormed off from the altar before end of service leaving worshippers agog in bearing some grudge or sulky-stomp then he could fully expect to be removed from office by his archdeacon or bishop. That one of the protest group was apparently a High Court 'His Honour' Judge is astonishing.
I assume Church Times and other media will have a field day especially if the Bangor Chapter blathers aimlessly. This choir nonsense didn't just heal the wound, it added more puss into the festering boil. Lance it. Sack the choir master and start the recruitment process again ... or buy a record player.
The boil does indeed need lancing, Ceri Llan, but it is not the one you speak of.
DeleteMuppets Rule
Sweet Ceri, how sheltered your church attending life has been! I've seen many a priest beat a swift exit before the end of the service because they were angry about something. Not one, I can assure you, was ever removed from office as a result. Also, record player? It's all about streaming these days, darling!
DeleteScarlet
What happened to forgiving one another Ceri?
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Mass Redundancies
Was the choir leaving disrespectful? I saw it and thought it was done quietly and professionally. I am a parent of a child in the choir and from what I was told this was not premeditated.
DeleteI happen to love the music during worship, and I find it moving spiritually, in a way that mumbling hymns is not but it seems there are a lot of music haters here on the blog.
@Ceri Llan what aspect of the choir's behaviour in the services is the problem? Are the under 18s in the choir, who on some Sundays are most of the choir, badly behaved or something? I have always thought that they are professional and if my child was being misled or made to do something inappropriate or were in danger I would not allow them to go. All of this awful talk about the choir is incredibly insensitive and the haters seem to think they're better than us, parents of children in the choir, and don't actually care about the children or young people - but neither do the clergy. You are all failing the children and young people.
This is why a group of parents, in desperation, went to talk to Archdeacon Parry after the service. Are there any rumours of what they were discussing or who they were? @Ceri Llan again why is it astonishing that a judge was there? He is a father of two boys in the choir and also sings himself.
@Stellar
DeleteRead mine again please. I made no reference to children far less their behaviour ... unless you like a number of others think the adults were acting as children.
@Ceri Llan but much of the choir is children and young people. This seems to be forgotten in all of these discussions, and your suggestion to "to rid the cathedral of the whole lot of them" doesn't seem to make any provision for the under-18s in the choir. Are the children and young people part of this "festering boil"? All of the accusations about the choir are levelled at children and young people, who are part of the choir. What is the solution to that? Any suggestions as to what should be done about the children and young people who are suffering in all of this?
DeleteAs a congregant on Sunday I was not agog at the walk out but sympathetic to their cause. The organ solo that was the final hymn was demonstrative of what the cathedral faces should chapter continue their planned course of mass redundancies.
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It didn't prevent the Archdemoness Peggy "the taxman will never know" Pilate a Canons Kirk, Masson and Smith from making the Llandaff lay clerks and assistant Organist redundant three days before Christmas in 2013.
DeleteWhat makes you think the Bangor Chapter will give any more of a sh1t?
A petulant and rather childish act which only cements the opinion in most people's minds that the choir is too big for its boots. Get rid of the lot and start again.
ReplyDeleteOr don't. I noticed the Archdemon couldn't even bring himself to use the pulpit, in a desperate attempt to make himself relevant.
No Voice, I don’t think the choir is too big for their boots at all. When they have been at the mercy of all this bad publicity whilst clergy have sculked away and people like SRE have been often shielded from the amount of publicity they deserve.
DeleteThe choir left in the most dignified way possible, after singing a beautiful yet chilling anthem. The service was undisturbed, yet the message was clear. It is no ones fault that no one sang in the final hymn from the congregation — it is a simple tune. Perhaps, as Rebecca suggests, people were doing it in solidarity.
Perhaps, we should focus more on the absentee Archdeacon (or Archdemon, as you refer to him), and his lame sermon as well as strange comment at the end of the service. Interesting how in the midst of all these issues he was never really at the cathedral.
Sanctus
Golly gosh, I'm feeling sorry for Manon walking into this. I hope she is very gifted in reconciliation and conflict resolution.
ReplyDeleteHow bad a witness this is to the city?
Whamab
Why?
DeleteShe's a part of the general malaise infecting the cult in Wales.
They're all as bad as each other.
Zero sympathy here.
So long as she orders her archdeacon David Parry to keep his distance, she should be OK Whamab.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.realviewbooks.com/product-page/the-church-of-england-as-viewed-by-newman-15006?fbclid=IwY2xjawMjqb9leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHt_QPqI1UsAdX82flOHrrIiDPEauzxxcODseW-g0S6Een6r9glbjvo4Da-Qs_aem_R1pUdn6-iDT-cW90Yrda7Q
ReplyDeleteWhich of course applies equally to the C in W.
And this one:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-F71f4bPtY
I often wonder if dear old Ancient Briton has a 'Stir-Up-Sunday' finger in the pie within Bangor cathedral. Others too might have noticed that in recent times whenever one 'thread' or 'on topic' subject begins to falter and comments dwindle to almost shut-down zilch, Bangor can be depended on to cause mayhem again to fizz up the comments.
ReplyDeleteThe Sun newspaper's brilliant editor, Kelvin McKenzie used to employ the same tactic. Whenever circulation figures slipped, he'd magic-up a new headline: 'Freddy Starr at my hamster' was a classic.
Sometimes in the past, I have been blamed for 'exposing' some of the goings on ... my regret is I had nothing to do with this latest boost to AB's popularity. But there's a certain pattern. Comments begin to dwindle ... Bonkers Bangor delivers new ooomph!
Ad Clerum
Makes a nice change to Llandaff, St.Davids or Monmouth being the centres of attention.
DeleteJust goes to show how widespread --Bazza's swamp has spread although it might be argued he was the start of it up there with the Clifford Williams affair and matters have just gone full circle.
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No AC, there is no cunning plan. 'Dear old Ancient Briton' does not have a 'Stir-Up-Sunday' finger in the pie. As advised in earlier comments he is stepping back after 15 years.
DeleteIn response to pleas from those who have effectively been expelled from the Church in Wales for keeping the faith, that thread continues with occassional refreshers when the volume of comments becomes unweildy.
I thought that the choir in Bangor Cathedral behaved with dignity last Sunday, unlike the Archdeacon, who seemed bewildered at times, needing often to be helped by the deacon. In the introit procession the Archdeacon walked side by side with the deacon and in the recessional procession he walked in front of the deacon, clasping his hands behind his chasuble in a sort of slouch. He does not know how to cense an altar, although it is possible to learn to do this with a little practice when it is customary in a particular church. I found it very strange that he used his left arm to pronounce the absolution and blessing. I think that the Archdeacon's manner of presiding did leave much to be desired.
ReplyDeleteThe choir have greatly enhanced the worship of the mother church of the diocese; the person who is making the choir redundant (if I understand the situation correctly) let down the cathedral last Sunday.
Cymro Alltud
There was nothing dignified about it! And listening to some of the music on Sunday was terrible - never heard the one piece before and hope not to again. I have every sympathy for the choir members but they seem to be continually let down by their choir master and his petulant temper tantrums.
Delete@RSS
DeleteI can think of far less dignified ways the choir could've showed their displeasure than an act of steadfast solidarity.
That piece (assuming you still have an order of service) seems to fit the lyrics quite well, at least in my opinion. Not every choir piece has to sound angelic.
Mass Redundancies
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8x5xy2lxlgo
ReplyDeleteBangor Cathedral features on the BBC for all the wrong reasons again.
Bewildered
I'm loving the fact that someone has already leaked the confidential documents to the press.
DeleteA wonderful riposte to the Chapter 🖕
If the new Deaness is being installed in post anytime soon, the choir would do well to boycott the service. Let her sing her choice of hymns on her own.
Reminiscent of the Llandaff Cathedral Choir shenanigans happening just as Darth --Insidious was shouting his mouth off about appointing the first Deaness, Janet Henderson.
DeleteThe choir were all suspended at the time due to an employment tribunal initiated by four of his lay clerks, so --Bazza threatened Richard Moorhouse to get some of the back row to sing at her installation service.
Of course, it all proved to be for naught because nine weeks later she'd done her disappearing act and stuck two fingers up to him.
Happy days.
If the role of the Cathedral Organist is to "be halved" then his response is really very simple.
DeleteHe should play the Cathedral organ with just one hand and one foot.
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Limited repertoire but hey ho!!
The Archdeacon of Wrexham is removed.
ReplyDeleteSource?
Deleteintrigued
Celt: any knowledge as to when Gerwhine the Archdeacon of Montgomery will follow suit?
DeleteThis story has really gone under the radar, most probably due to the issues in Bangor. There is a story to be told but these actions may be too little too late.
ReplyDeleteWhat actions? What story? If there is a story can you take it "above the.radar" please, if you have any information to share? Some of us in the diocese concerned have.heard Almost nothing about this
ReplyDeleteTeulu Asaph.
@ Teulu Asaph.
DeleteBe patient !! This is the Church-in-Wales which operates as a secret society. Everyone in Bangor right down to the wood-carved cathedral mice knew that Sion ap Rhys had been ousted as sub-dean and stripped of his Golden Palace diocesan secretary throne .... but it took the CinW almost 12 anguished months of silence to actually confirm it and even then being not exactly honest in their announcement. Better perhaps to keep your eye on Martin Shipton's Nation Cymru ... he's normally ahead of the game.
Not impatient, just puzzled. If you know something, can you report it, as you suggest it's significant and of interest to the Church? I'd be surprised if Martin Shipton took much interest in the resignation, sacking or whatever has happened to one local archdeacon, so I'm not holding my breath there.
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Isn't it proof-evident that choice of Cherry Van as archbishop was quite the wrong one in that she's demonstrated little or no authority in stamping out the nonsenses of Bangor. It is not good enough for her to repeat the old yarn that an Archbishop mustn't involve himself/herself in the affairs of other diocese ... but when the ridiculed reputation of the whole Church-in-Wales is at stake she ought at least to have hopped on a train to Bangor to take the helm in absence of its diocesan bishop and the sickness-leave of its assistant bishop. But nothing. Left in the lunatic hands of the growingly unpopular archdeacon David Parry ... unpopular with most of his clergy, congregants and now most certainly choir. The shepherdess allowing her flock to run amuck. She might bleat that she has to hide her lesbian partner away from sight ... but not her hide as well. Where is she?
ReplyDeleteWho cares?
DeleteThe last thing Bangor needs is the involvement of a meddlesome Offa's trench adding to the problems.
@Old Billl agreed. Furthermore, it was an horrific error of judgment to give the Telegraph interview. She can never look one of her clergy in the eye and expect them to keep the rules again. She can never, as chair of the GB, ask the body to stand as she proclaims any future bill passed with any integrity - since she felt she could ignore the discipline of the Church of England as was. She also claimed to want to heal the province - her version of healing is alienating and hurting the orthodox Anglicans remaining in the Church in Wales with her victimhood.
DeleteShe thumbed her nose up at the Monmouth review in not appointing an Assistant Bishop. In her letter explaining that descision, she clearly showed no grasp that she remained the Diocesan even after an Assistant was appointed. She'll live to regret that when the provincial workload stacks up trying to clean up the mess the revisionists have left. It's not looking good folks.
Whamab
She's the epitome of Living in Lust and Filth, everything to which the Church of England is working so hard.
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ReplyDeleteDid the truth hurt someone's feelings AB?
DeleteYou can't say that about the Ven Capon. Surely St Asaph did their due diligence and found he was completely innocent of all the allegations of misappropriation made against him when they brought him back in from the cold of Lloegr?
ReplyDeleteWhamab
The cult in Wales, due diligence?
DeleteCan you hear yourself?
Bewildered
Due diligence!! Don't make me laugh! After a year in post his past reputation lives on. Gregory cannot be that blind and deaf. What a dud.
DeleteDismayed
Our prayers as fellow Christians for bishop Mary as she faces the tragic and traumatic loss of her mother. May she know the prayers of the whole church at this time.
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@RSS, the choir were dignified and respectful in the manner they left the service on Sunday. The children and volunteers of the choir are stuck in the middle of all this, they walked out in support of the Director of Music, who they have full confidence in.
ReplyDeleteArchdeacon David Parry and the whole Chapter should resign due to the disgusting way they are treating the choir, staff and congregation of St Deiniols.
The Diocese of Bangor and the entire Church in Wales wish to express their eternal and undying gratitude to Angela Rayner this week for directing everyone's attention towards herself and away from them.
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This whole debarcle boils down to these two points and three individuals which I refere to:
ReplyDelete1. Accountability – where were the Cathedral Chapter of Bangor in all this to challenge the ponse that was Sion Evans in his decission making, in particular the Archdeacon of Bangor and Bishop of Bangor. As a friend of mine tipped me off, even before Sion Evans was ordained, he attended a Ministry Area Council meeting (formerly known as a PCC) on Anglesey, and told its members that it was their roles as trustees of the Ministry Area to keep the clergy in check with regards to financing, or that they would be liable to the Charity Commission. Bit rich coming from him, of a pot calling kettle black after what’s gone on in the cathedral (Evans that is).
2. The same individual told me that there are big egos amongst certain individuals in the Cathedral Choir, and that those with the egos want to run the place as opposed to the clergy.
Grumpy.
Who are these egos? Why would people who sing in a choir want to run a church? I don't understand what this means. Maybe they don't like the way the clergy are running things, what with the spending and the weird decisions. But I have been coming to the Cathedral for a while, started just before Sion left, and I quite like the music and things, and I don't see how a choir can take over because all they do is sing.
Delete@Grumpy
DeleteIf ‘wanting to run the place’ is code for ‘not wanting redundancies’ then you are in the right ballpark. Defending your job is not egotistical- but perhaps that is not what you meant?
Must Refute
@ Grumpy.
ReplyDeleteThat said, bets are that Bangor cathedral will be packed to the rafters tomorrow (Sunday) purely for its entertainment value and especially if the hapless Ven. David Parry comes on for encore and more curtain calls for his comedy act as a 'priest' impersonator. Better still, the best seats in the house are free on fist-come basis as the choir will be protesting outside. What fun!!!
No doubt! What was it that CS Lewis said once (can't remember where), but started off by saying something like: "The church must first empty itself of all prestige...." Yeah, right!
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I must say the goings on in Bangor are rather grim Ivevwatched them with a professional eye as well as a layperson. I've come from Llandudno and I am looking for a traditional church in North Gwynedd. I've had a gay vicar who was superb, but I draw the line at Pride Progress flags or any political flags on the altar. I saw them at Bangor a few years ago and was disappointed. Is there a traditional liturgy church left I can attend, Welsh language or English services?
ReplyDeleteYou'll be lucky, get in the queue.
DeleteYou are welcome to join us (The Reformed Episcopal Church- or, over the border the Free Church of England) on the 1st Sunday in the month (not Sept.7th) at Capel Gwydir Uchaf near Llanrwst, at 11am: Holy Communion, and on the 3rd Sunday in the month at Pensarn Chapel Vestry, Llandudno Junction at 11.30 am Holy Communion.
DeleteSion Rhys Evans is to blame for all that is Happening at the Cathedral he should be held responsible for his actions,and now David Parry and the rest of chapter are taking it out on the Director of music and The choir , because of sions's mismanagement of money ,and the person who signed off on all of them ,all of chapter should resign with immediate affect.
ReplyDeleteHere in Bangor, finally there is a statement from chapter informing us of how deep the financial parley lies, albeit with no mention of where the previous bets were placed.
ReplyDeleteA word conspicuous in its absence from the statement being ”compassion”. The vulnerable are those most affected by planned cuts, those who share objections may visit https://chng.it/WRGsrscB78. The haste to bring about redundancy is unacceptable and needs calling out.
Doctor.
Doctor, completely agreed, there is nothing compassionate about any of the redundancies or the way they are being enacted. I have signed the petition and shared it!
DeleteSanctus.
Thank you Sanctus. Many value this petition. Your contribution will go a long way
DeleteMass Redundancies
@Doctor
DeleteI too read the fudged 'Statement' if the Chapter (a member of which assures is wholly the pen of the Archdeacon). Another highlight within it demonstrates that the 'Chapter' still hasn't got a grip of basic sums. It quotes overhead outgoing for BMF will be £72K ... this is generally short-form for clergy stipends. Problem with this is that cathedral clergy staff currently stands at (1) yet to be installed Dean and (2) cathedral Canon who is Rev.Can. Tracy Jones. Both salaries are paid directly from the RB ... and NOT out of cathedral accounts. Either false accounting again or wool over the blind sheeps eyes. Any other officiating clergy are good-willed retired priests including he former Dean of Chester or one who is the University chaplain stipend covered by the Diocese not Cathedral.
This accounts reporting nonsense from the same 'Chapter' who simply nodded through SRE's madcap idea to spend £400,000 (cathedral cost being £200,000) on new IKEA pews. Not a whisper from the 11+ Sums (Failed) Chapter.
Lastly 'An Observer' somewhere above was right in his prediction. The cathedral was in fact better attended this morning than seen for many weeks: and without the opera of choir, a shorter service too. The only absentee was the 'rule the roost' Chief Crowing Cockerel archdeacon Parry who very wisely decided to stay well clear.
I agree Ceri Llan, it did seem as though the accounting on the statement might have involved the back of a cigarette box, i thought it odd to list accounts in a paragraph rather than spreadsheet format. I confess, I am not a regular at cathedral, I think I have only met Mr Parry the once, I do not know much about him.
DeleteDoctor.
In a remarkable twist of fate, Ceri and I are in agreement on something! My fans (looking at you, Old Bill) can read more about it (and the chapter's dodgy maths) here: https://medium.com/@scarletcassock/a-statement-piece-194d14ebc09f
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Is there an update on the Bishop of Bardsey? Is he OK?
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FYI: https://nation.cymru/opinion/why-bangor-cathedral-choir-must-be-saved
ReplyDeleteI completely agree with this article.
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ReplyDeleteCut to the Chase - Cathedral and church staff often have houses as part of their jobs. It's pretty common all over the UK. They are paid less because of it. Why do you think Bangor's Director of Music shouldn't be housed near the Cathedral? What do you suggest should be done with the properties owned by the church?
DeleteCut to the chase, kindly, shut up.
DeleteThe DoM has been doing everything in his power to support the choir. The funding for these lay clerks and scholars (which is until next July anyway) was gained through the CMT by him only. You’re also clearly grasping for a story - the DoM and sub dean never had any relationship of that sort, you need to go outside more.
Sanctus
Cut to the Chase - I know nothing of the remuneration package the D of M at Bangor has, and have no reason to defend him on anything. But looking at the question of housing more widely, it is very common practice for a Cathedral organist to occupy a Cathedral owned house rent free as part of their remuneration package. Living in tied housing might seem very attractive to those who have never done it - especially if they are stretched thinly financially trying to pay a mortgage on the ridiculous house prices in many parts of the British Isles these days. But having done both in my time, I would always avoid tied housing if I have the option. Church owned properties tend to be too large, very poorly maintained, have appallingly inefficient heating, double glazing and insulation, and are often historic properties so are impractical for modern day living. If you’re a Dean or Bishop, then your house gets the first class overhaul. But any mere minion lay or ordained is expected to put up and shut up, most of the time. That’s before we get to the risk of being turfed out on the street if your job disappears from under you, and never getting a foot on the property ladder meaning you spend retirement in poverty on the pittance of a pension trying to afford to rent somewhere.
DeleteSo yes, it may well be a sweet deal - I don’t know. But it may also be decidedly bitter in some ways…
Civilisation will not attain perfection, until the last stone from the last church falls on the last priest.
ReplyDeleteThe last days of the CinW
All said in Christian love. I'm sure. You should hang your head in shame. How dare you say such a thing. Do you call yourself a Christian?
ReplyDeleteBollox to "Christian" love.
DeleteThere was none on display from the Llandaff Chapter when they got rid of their Lay Clerks and there will be none on display from the Bangor Chapter either.
Pastoral care?
Don't make me laugh.
These Christians, see how they love each other.
Bewildered
Bangor Chapter will prove to be every bit as devious and economical with the truth as their Llandaff brethren, mark my words.
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DeleteYes, I dare and I dare to say it again:
Civilisation will not attain perfection, until the last stone from the last church falls on the last priest.
No, I don’t consider myself a Christian as I don’t believe in fairy tales.
The last days of the CinW
So because the chapter have failed you are calling for every priest in the CinW to be killed?
ReplyDeleteIf you believe in such twaddle then it is God they have failed.
DeleteLet judgment fall where it may, as long as it lands on the correct heads.
Bewildered
The Cult in Wales doesn't have any priests, not by the Apostolic definition. Only people it has decided to call such, with as much credence and authority as elders of the Church of the Latter Day Saints, the Jehovah's Witnesses or any other pseudo-Christian cults.
DeleteLike the majority of Christians, you read far too much between the lines. No one is saying anything about any priest being killed. That’s absurd and ridiculous.
DeleteThe last days of the CinW
Repeat - is there an update on the Bishop of Bardsey?
ReplyDeleteTheBard
@TheBard
ReplyDeleteA fair question and one it appears ignored by all. Yes, there is update although it might have been better had clergy-colleagues in Bangor announced it rather than allow rumour and whisper to perpetuate. He was never on 'sulking' leave nor time-off to plan his 'marriage' as claimed; but genuine sickness leave. News from a very reliable friend of his from OUTSIDE the Bangor Secret Service is that he is now back to his jovial and sprightly-self. He has a long-standing scheduled (and CinW authorised) programme of events in capacity as Chaplain to the Order of St. John and on return, and re-energised, looks forward to his next appointment. I'm also assured that he's in regular contact with Cherry Vann who has absolute empathy for the difficulties he was put through and supports him fully.
All this will depress umpteen AB subscribers of the scurrilous, rumour-mongering, 'know-all' fringe, but so be it. +David (for he remains that) is alive, well and very much looking forward to his next 'assignment' ... hopefully one demanding a little less stress and covering-up for others of seniority who ought to have mopped up their own sh*t.
Relieved to hear that. All power to his crozier.
DeleteTheBard
Why are you even on this blog?
ReplyDeleteWho?
DeleteTheBard
Because usually the company is much better than that in the cult in Wales.
DeleteBewildered
One loves to stir the pot.
DeleteThe last days of the CinW
To umpteen above contributors ref the grace-and-favour property gifted to the DoM Bangor, a couple of points which seem to be avoided.
ReplyDelete(1) in most if not all Cathedral churches I have been associated with over many years (in addition to large parish churches), the choir is net financial CONTRIBUTOR to revenue income not a drain on it. Choirs which not only pay their own way, but which return revenue-income and profits from performances, royalties, bookings, TV/Radio, etc. Of Bangor: hardly a dime ... just a constant drain on resource. Any income DoM might have attracted has gone straight into choir coffers ... not to help fund the cathedral itself.
(2) forget any income from pepper-corn rent the DoM might contribute to income (which would go to the RB anyway and not Cathedral coffers). The greater income would be for him to vacate this prime-site, city-central, lavish property and allow the RB to derive the very excellent income in Bangor from private letting. The RB did explore this with local estate agents some 3x years ago and the monthly rental suggested was eye-watering. Then SRE the sub-dean aborted that enterprise handed the keys over to DoM and his partner/spouse. It was not part of his Terms and Conditions of Contract.
ap Rhys did much the same with his own Deanery when only functioning as Diocesan Secretary (before ordination as Deacon) in period between Dean Susan Jones and Kathy Jones. He announced the Deanery was unhabitable due to noise nuisance, security, etc. so sanctioned that new £540,000 out of town property could be purchased for Kathy Jones. He then promptly - at the speed of a squatting Cuckoo - moved in to use it as his own, non-contractual, zero-rent five-bedroomed pad and Gin palace. I bet he didn't declare his 'benefits in kind' free house with free garden servicing. maintenance and window-cleaning on his Tax Return Forms either. Perhaps this is another 'perk of the job'. Tax evasion in some quarters leads to investigation and resignations. On others where such things seem inconvenient to explore, they're dismisses as 'that's how it works'!!! I'm sure DoM will agree?
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DeleteAll done with the blessing and connivance of the chocolate teapot 🫖.
DeleteCorruption, pure and simple. There must be an independent, comprehensive, broad review into the running of Bangor diocese and cathedral since SRE became diocesan secretary. All clergy who by their acts and omissions allowed or turned a blind eye to all this need to be held accountable.
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Hello Ad Clerum,
ReplyDeleteAccommodation WAS part of my original terms, you may disagree with that but its not as if I have gotten this in an underhanded way.
There are no choir coffers as you put it, all of the funds seemed to have become blurred, I am not allowed to see what chapter discusses, so you would do better taking it up with them.
The RB and other charities give money towards the running of the music department. Come round if you like and I will talk you through the income and expenditure...
Were you and SRE at any time an item?
DeleteWas there any nepotism going on and/or blurred lines?
Perhaps you can clarify the issues and the timeline?
I hesitate to cut into this important discussion, but I am still wondering if there is some news about the Archdeacon of Wrexham.
DeleteCymro Alltud
I was always under the impression that SRE was as straight as they come
ReplyDeleteJoe: I'll ignore the comment of 'Charlie' above who sounds much like 'Cheesemaker' of yore. He/she them or It obviously doesn't recognise my many, many years of regular Sunday and faithful worship in churches where ever I have lived and worked. Most in Bangor cathedral know who Ad Clerum is ... and a wiser person than he/she/they/it.
ReplyDeleteBut to yours. My abject apology. I was informed - very wrongly obviously - a couple of years ago that as with the earlier residence used by the cathedral organist, the Canonry was not part and parcel of the DoM employment contract. I withdraw the faux pas without reservation if true.
As for choir 'coffers' the word was misplaced. I should have said 'accounts' or 'expenditure'. There is for instance the example of BBC 'star' Aled Jones TV performance at the cathedral (albeit just before your time) where the cathedral ought to have received a good sum of 'location and facilities' income for two days filming. But no. Instead of ££ income Aled Jones and an un-named person within the cathedral decided that in lieu of cash, Aled Jones's company (production) would buy black cloaks for all lay and choristers as a better tax option. They are only worn on Remembrance Sunday. The cathedral who spent the dosh to facilitate was left .... cashless. That's pretty typical of how it goes is it not.
As for 'Charlie' who appears to be your champion, please urge him/her/they/them to question of any of the cathedral clergy who know me and know of my past and why I occupy the most rear pew of the cathedral in my weekly, private, worship. It is for the same reason that whenever I go to a restaurant or sit on a train I need to be as close as possible to the exit door. In booking airline annual holidays I pay extra to book seat No. 2C which is my fast escape security. It is why when cathedral services are held at the High Altar I remain, alone, closer to the North door exit. Latent, severe, post traumatic stress is a terrible thing. Most of Bangor's clergy know and recognise my past angsts and fears. I don't want 'Charlie' - who probably hasn't experienced anything more than a penny banger firework or someone saying 'boo' - to take the piss and I am surprised that AB let the personalised ridicule pass his 'gatekeeper' control. Let 'Charlie' if he/she is one of the choir clan come over on Sunday next and face me directly. The medium of Ancient Briton is not the place to do it. Big Boys Games = Big Boys' Rules.
My comment was clearly not a jab at your mental health. Any jab at a person’s mental health is below the belt. It clearly hit a nerve, however; I point out again that I was not making jest of your mental health. I described where you sit each Sunday. To the question of me being ‘one of the choir clan’, no I am not. I can hold my own, but cannot hold a tune. I am indeed a full supporter of Joe and the choir.
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ReplyDeleteI merely asked for clarification concerning allegations made on this blog previously by others.
DeleteNo tarring and feathering happening just yet.
Surely Joe can answer for himself rather than his mam step up for him or has a raw nerve been touched?
@Menai Straight
DeleteHear hear. Certainly Joe can speak for himself. Mothering Joe? No, I’m cutting gossip off at the knees.
Charlie
Then shut up and let Joe speak.
DeleteAsking serious questions isn't gossip but who appointed you as gossip surgeon anyway?
If you're a typical example then little wonder the Diocese is in such disrepute.
The letter from Offa's trench is completely drippy too and I suspect the choir will be gone before All Saint's Day.
Bewildered
Never shall I be silent for any person. Joe can speak at any point he chooses. I place a bet of half a crown that the choir will still be here long after All Saints Day, regardless of what happens.
DeleteCharlie
Odd that 'Charlie' responds to one of Menai Straight's but doesn't to mine which is more direct. See you on Sunday m'dear. And to AB: time to edit your pages which Charlie and others have now decided to personalise.
ReplyDeleteIt’s a date.
DeleteCharlie
@ AB
ReplyDeleteYet again dear publisher might I draw attention to matter of civil law and your publications of contributors' probable Defamation Act violations if raised in County Court.
Read again the entry of your contributor above 'Charlie' and her/his innuendo that Bangor's deanery residence for ap Rhys-Evans might be in any way associated with chain-linked, basement floor sex dungeon is - if he were so inclined - likely to prove embarrassing to your website. I was no fan of sub-standard ap-Rhys but your contributor 'Charlie' needs editorial control. By publishing Charlie's tirade you, AB, are open to the full might of civil action if Sion ap Rhys Evans with lawyers wishes to persue. The same contributor, the newly subscribed 'Charlie' also pops at Ad Cleric. He or she might come to regret it.
@Old Bill
DeleteLet me be clear. There was never any intention to defame anyone’s character. What I wrote was satire, a parody to show how ridiculous some of the gossip has become. If it read otherwise then that is regrettable, but the point stands.
Charlie
@Charlie
DeleteYou didn't defame me dear lady. You defamed Sion ap Rhys who I never, ever, thought I might defend. But your description of a Fred West Cromwell Street type chamber of sex activity horrors at the Deanery (a total fabrication of a warped mind) was not satire or parody but outright wicked if not deranged. Thankfully it might appear that AB has very swiftly and correctly removed it. In future: Think before you Write.
@ Old Bill.
DeleteI’m rather impressed that you know that I am a woman. This is all rather endearing. Thank you good man and have a splendid evening.
Charlie
Thank you OB, apologies for missing that and for any offence caused.
ReplyDeleteCathedral suspends its own choir over protest hymn.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/12cde6a9fe276da4
The Canticle of Indignation.
Published in full.
Hilarious 🤣
Congratulations to Simon Ogden.
Here's hoping the RSCM publish it.
Bangor Chapter will be spitting feathers which is even more hilarious.🤣🤣
Flipping Cherry the bird too.
Could someone tell me what the "protest hymn" was or, indeed, if one was actually sung? I've looked at the service video and can't make out the words being sung - and, in any case, it appears that part of the service has been redacted by placing a big "donations" appeal on the screen at a crucial moment.
ReplyDeleteIn all fairness, that donations screen goes up during communion every time (because people complained about being visible while taking their communion - no, I'm not interested in having a debate about that, whatever).
DeleteIt was, I believe, Psalm 94:1-11 (https://www.rmjs.co.uk/psalter/psalms.php?p=94). Presumably the lectionary is due for a major update if psalms are now considered to be "entirely inappropriate"...
Scarlet
Thank you, and for the info about the Donations screen.
DeleteOdd. Manon James's licensing as Dean took place in almost secret at the cathedral witnessed by only a huddle of chapter at the High Altar yesterday before evening prayer. No mention of it at Sunday's notices and no congregants invited. All very secret society.
ReplyDeleteOne explanation for the haste and secrecy was Cherry Vann's decision to have archdeacon David Parry removed as chair of Chapter as quickly as possible in hope that perhaps Manon can unpick the mess he appears to have created at Bangor cathedral in recent weeks.
Ad Clerum, do you know for certain if Archbishop Cherry Vann has removed David Parry as chair of chapter? If so, this is good news, just wanted to be sure.
DeleteSanctus.
Hi Sanctus.
DeleteWell no. Cherry Vann hasn't telephoned me personally to say so but once Manon James is licensed (presumably by her at present), then the Chapter becomes 'Dean and Chapter' with title of Chair of Chapter made redundant. Parry as archdeacon of course remains a Member of Chapter but with no more clout than the weakest part of the whole. And that's pretty limp. Hope that helps!!
Thanks Ad Clerum,
DeleteI probably should have realised that, but I’m glad to know now. Hopefully Manon is able to do something before the redundancies are finalised tomorrow!
Best wishes,
Sanctus
If this is the reason, it’s another good move by ++Cherry, in my view, notwithstanding the reservations I still have about the new Dean. The Archdeacon was absolutely the wrong person to be chairing Chapter, even before this latest fiasco. As a Trustee in post during the financial irregularities period, he is completely compromised in any governance role until his failings (if any) are established and addressed. He has proved his unsuitability for governance through his mishandling of the proposed redundancies.
DeleteThe one thing he did right, in my opinion, was the suspension after the protest. To bring a dispute into worship through a Canticle of Indignation and a walkout was not the right thing to do. Communal worship is not meant to be just reduced to the public expression of the feelings of a few. There’s an awful lot in Scripture about resolving your disputes before coming to worship - something many of us are not good at - but however lightly we sit to it, I don’t think bringing disputes into how we lead worship is ever the right thing to do.
I guess we’ll see if the new Dean can sort this mess out behind the scenes. I’m not holding my breath as her reputation isn’t really one of a reconciler…
@ Fr Duddleswell
DeleteYou have to remember that it wasn't ++Cherry who appointed Pathetic-Parry to the Chapter (as Chair), but her predecessor ++Andrew. That's what Andy John and Keir Stramer have in common: both totally abysmal at appointing the right people!
Absolutely - in no way do I hold Cherry responsible for that appalling decision. One among many from Andy, by Divine oversight, our former Archbishop…
DeleteIt may interest the followers of this comments section to know that the new Dean was licensed in a secret, invitation-only ceremony yesterday afternoon by the Archdemon of Bangor (as others have put it) in his role as archbishop's commissary. Nothing like a secret installation to lend a sense of legitimacy to the whole business, eh?
ReplyDeleteGoshdarnit
Simon Ogden has very generously made this link freely available.
ReplyDeleteHopefully every Parish and Cathedral Choir in Wales will arrange a performance in support.
https://cadeirlan.org.uk/assets/canticle_indignation.pdf
Give the Bangor Cathedral Choir the support that Llandaff Cathedral Choir never received.
Out of curiosity, is Aled Jones supporting his former choir?
DeleteHis name should add some weight to the debate.
Simultaneously sending a clear Harvey Smith salute to the Bangor Chapter ✌️
DeleteWhy don't Bangor Cathedral Choir record their Canticle of Indignation, get it released and played on Radio3 & ClassicFM with the aim of getting it to Number 1 in the charts?
DeleteWouldn't it be an absolute scream if the Choir could raise enough money to purchase Bangor Cathedral outright and make the Deanesse and Chapter redundant???🤣🤣🤣
Laughing Gas, both Radio 3 & ClassicFM are too spineless to broadcast that sort of thing, even if it is right. Not to mention, the Cathedral has already rejected fundraising attempts, so they wouldn't like someone trying to buy them!
DeleteSanctus.
If the chumps don't like it then that's even better.
Delete@Sanctus
DeletePeggy the obese Pilate also refused to accept any fund raising attempts from the Llandaff Catherine Choir.
The MO is identical.
Sadly, if you knew Aled Jones you'd know too that his two fingers have, in the past, been directed at the cathedral choir and their then staff including retired choirmaster who nurtured his career, Mr. Andrew Goodwin. Unless there's a cent or two to benefit his own coffers he's not too generous in helping anyone else; not even in gratitude.
ReplyDeleteNow Sir Bryn Terfel might be a better bet.
Was Bryn Terfel a boy chorister in Bangor Cathedral choir?
DeleteNo he wasn't MS, but he has Bangor's Pontio theatre named after him, Welsh to the core, champion of Songs of Praise and a thoroughly pleasant and kind person.
DeleteAgreed, I knew him as a teenager but I was asking only because I didn't know if he had any connection with Bangor Cathedral.
DeleteThank you anyway.
@Sanctus
ReplyDeleteYou mention (above somewhere) the cathedral redundancy cut-off date was to be today. Did it happen? Has there been a climb-down? How severe the scythe? Legal redress? In short has Manon James in just 76 hours been able to avert further chaos?
Ceri Llan,
DeleteI have no idea to be honest. I hope that Manon has taken the right decision and has made provision for the choir to continue.
Sanctus.
Any news on the missing Archdeacon in St Asaph? Is it true she is gone as mentioned previously - not seen for some significant time.
ReplyDeleteExaudi nos.
Cor blimey Exaudi Nos? How many other C-in-W priests are 'MiA'. We haven't even found the remains of that other archdeacon, ex-of Merioneth yet?!!!
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