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| The aftermath of an arson attack in Jaranwala Source: ACNUK |
Aid to the Church in Need reports: "Mass exodus as mob burns churches and homes in Pakistan. Mosques incited violence, causing a sense of terror and uncertainty among Christians.
"Up to 15 church buildings have been attacked and hundreds of Christian homes destroyed after extremists went on the rampage in Pakistan."
The response reported by Reuters: "Pakistani police arrest two Christians accused of blasphemy."
I have yet to hear any condemnation of these attacks on innocent people and their property, in particular from the Swansea Mosque and Community Centre which recently received a Community Cohesion grant of £300k from the Welsh Government.
The Welsh First Minister has since instructed his Ministers to find £900m cuts in public services.
Some cohesion!
Postscripts
[19.08.2023]
In Pakistan Muslims are now desecrating the graves of Christians.
https://twitter.com/CatholicArena/status/1692832406477103610
In Nigeria Killings of Christians ‘going on and on’, with no arrests made.
"The world is refusing to help those who are being persecuted." More here.
[21.08.2023]
Community Cohesion!
Muslim harasses elderly Christian, tries to provoke a confrontation but it is worse in Muslim majority countries while critics of this sort of behaviour are accused of Islamophobia!
[28.08.2023]
"Pakistan's Jaranwala violence: Gov't must root out cause of anti-Christian attacks" - A Pakistani Christian living in Australia writes: "History tells us that in a few weeks, the media will forget about this incident, the Pakistani government will forget its promises, the money allocated for the persecuted Christians' support will magically vanish, and these hapless people whose lives have been turned upside down will all be forgotten. Little by little, on their own, they will start to rebuild their lives in the hopes of a better future – somewhere, somehow."
[02.09.2023]
Kidnappings and Murders of Christians Escalate in Nigeria’s Extremist Crisis
A couple of concerns AB with your spinning of two stories into one which might well open the door for some of the lesser brain-cells of this site to jump in with ignorance arrogance and feet first. What is it, AB, that drives you to connect the decent Moslems of the Swansea Islamic Mosque with events in distant Pakistan? Most of the Swansea worshippers will be 2nd, 3rd maybe even 4th generation Immigrants from the Middle East and Asia. Most, such as the Turks, Malaysians, North Africans, Iraq, Kurdistan, Sudanese and Afghans etc will never even have been to Pakistan and like natives from the Rhondda chapels and churches have little or no interest in the place. Why pick on them?
ReplyDeleteAnd here you go again with your bee in your bonnet against 'aetheist' Mark Drakeford. He's not my 'political' cup of tea, but he is Leader of the Welsh Senedd which chose to grant the Swansea Community Centre a few thousand quid for Community Cohesion projects. If he were vegetarian, would you continue to pour scorn on him if the Senedd gave the Welsh Lamb Farmers a few thousand to boost their industries? 'Course not.
I fear your unnecessary juxtopositioning of two stories might only entice some unsavoury comments so trust that you keep beady eye on your in-box and finger not too far from the 'delete' button in full awareness of various sections under the Communications Act et al.
Old Bill
Not just me OB. Others are concerned about atrocities being committed around the world in the name of Islam with little or no condemnation.
DeleteSee https://twitter.com/BarillasMartin/status/1692542243133858197
See also https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1681525672303378432
More Dripford Welsh Assembly joined up thinking.
Delete£12 million tax payers money blown on an empty factory to produce 5litre V8 petrol guzzling TVR sports cars just in time for the new 20mph road network.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/08/20/taxpayer-funded-welsh-sports-car-factory-empty/
You couldn't make it up.
That's as might be AB: but I still don't understand your need to embroil the Swansea Mosque in this as if looking to them to explain atrocities in Pakistan and elsewhere. Presumably you wouldn't cast the same stone at the Cardiff Afro-UK community for outrageous goings on against Jewish and Christian communities in certain parts of Africa? Why Swansea whose (British-Islamic) citizens could be NHS doctors, university staff, teachers etc. Pretty cheap shots with no justification.
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100 per cent agree with you Old Bill. Pure Islamophobia once again from AB. Not an ounce of intelligence in his conflations.
ReplyDeleteHow deeply sad the terrorist atrocities against Christians (and non Christians) are.
Xavier
Proof Khant is a racist b'stard.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/20/sadiq-khan-backlash-white-family-doesnt-represent-londoners/
The white family certainly don't represent Londonistan.
And not a Bishop in England or Wales speaking out against the muslim violence against Christians.
DeleteWhat a bench of cowards.
Entirely agree with you Cymru'r Groes. The 'Lambs to the Slaughter' - aka our weakling Bishops - are akin to a flock of bah-bah-bah old mutton heading off to the pen of oblivion.
ReplyDeleteBut you're also being drawn into AB's trap of blaming the Moslems for all anti-Christian ills. It is NOT the Islamic Moslems per-se but some fanatics, the ruthless criminal fraction within, who are the villains. Every faith or sect has them; they've dated back centuries and our own Christianity has been no better or worse than the rest. Think back to archbishop of Canterbury Hubert Walter (c 1160) or his more blood-thirsty ++Baldwin who not only used church revenue to muster troops for the 3rd Crusades but then went off with Richard I in attempt to wipe out the Muslims of Jerusalem and even Turkey.; so started the animonsity.
The Bible Belt southern 'Christians' of the post-war Klu Klux Klan. You can't possibly level the blame against all US Christians ... just the band of criminals and murderers.
Much the same in parts of modern India where the extent of slaughter by the Hindu against the Moslems is, according to the UN, verging on Genocide. Nothing to do with religious faith, just geo-political tribal/caste hatred. It most certainly has nothing to do with the peaceful worshipping congregants of the Swansea Mosque and Community Centre that AB wishes us to hold to account as answer to all the problems of Pakistan.
I lived and worked for umpteen years in some of the serious 'hotbeds' of the Middle and Near East and Southern Asia. Sudan and the old PLO governed war-zone included. Trust me. Moslems were as disgraced as anyone at those who took the name of Allah to pursue their ruthless, murderous politics; much the same as you and I are when we reflect on our own bloody Christian slaughters in name of Christ.
But yes. You're right. Time for our Bishops to get out of their 'camp' tents and speak out. Heavens above, we have enough of them in the House of Lords (and like ++Andrew stuffing his nose before BBC cameras) to utter a few words.
Old Bill.
Strange then how widespread the fanatics are.
DeleteBoko Haram in Africa.
Daesh/ISIS in the middle East.
Al Qaeda just about everywhere.
Anjem Choudry, Abu Hamza et al in the UK.
Hezbollah in Lebanon.
The PLO in and around Israel plus at least one other group whose name I can't presently recall.
The murderous Chechens in Ukraine fighting for Putin.
By comparison there seems to be very little significant friction between all the other faiths.
The common factor always is the "religion of peace".
We have let the wolf in the door.
Comments disappearing once more AB.
ReplyDeleteIn the mean time, this horsesh#t has hit the headlines.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66596790
They don't want much do they?
Why not challenge China over the ever giving Covid leak? Do me a favour... I have never wanted to enslave anyone - for slave traders look to African and Eastern Bloc areas. As for the British Empire, we are STILL supporting hugely wealthy countries who can put technology on a part of the moon no one else has seen and develop nuclear power while failing to feed their own starving people. Don't look back - look forward and perhaps we will improve life for all.
DeleteDon't know whose comments - if any - you are referring to Fr David, but if you don't look back to the lessons of history, you have little navigation to the way forward. And reference to the British 'Empire' as if that's the modern? We had the Commonweath after that dear chap; and even that is now on the wane. Britain too co-finances the European Space Agency and benefits tremendously from technolgies developed from the early NASA explorations of space/moon etc. (I assume you have a Teflon frying pan or use WD-40 at home?) But the growth of Food-Banks even into rural villages, the level of homelessness and child-poverty in the United Kingdom is no credit to us either; yet we still spend billions on satellite/space technology and nuclear energy. We'd be in a far worse place without it ... and who knows what good the space technology of India might produce for our future generations. As for your debunking of looking back, please don't throw your history books out. We still have a lot to learn if we are to confront the future.
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More to the point AC, the concept of Fr David - a priest presumably - advocate we don't look back or refer to history is amusing. Does he imply that there is no room in modern life to refer back to the Bible, its historic events, to the ancient scriptures, the Commandments, the theologies developed over millennia to improve our way of (future) life. His Sunday sermons would be brief indeed.
ReplyDeleteWell done France.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66634890
Girls wearing Abbayas to school to be banned from next week.
If only our own limpwristed politicians had the courage to do likewise.
Vive la liberté.
The new rules are being enforced.
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Bravo La France. 🇫🇷