I see Bishop Morris is to be licensed as a parish priest in St Asaph Diocese. I didn’t think he would have the good sense or humility to do that, and I’m pleased to note I was wrong. I hope it goes well for him and for the parish, and he learns what he needs to about healthy leadership along the way.
I'm delighted that perhaps your views regarding David Morris have mellowed, Duddleswell. The fact is that while he was so cruelly betrayed and 'prosecuted' by his Bench of Bishop peers as scapegoat for the gross failings of others - including them - he was overwhelmingly loved, respected and regarded by the mass of Bangor diocese congregants (the cathedral particularly) and if truth be told, many of the clergy - but clergy without the spine to speak out in his defence.
Sion ap Rhys had that ability to fool if not threaten all in his cross-hairs who stood in the way of his machinations. David was one of the few who saw through it and acted. The bag of worms which was then exposed, then also exposed the ineptitude of the RB, GB and Bench of Bishobs. David now was in the gun-sight.
If there were a Clacton-like by-election in Bangor to decide a new bishop with only two candidates, David Morris or the Reverend Binface there is little doubt the outcome. It's just pity there can't be.
The standing ovation he received after delivering his 'farewell' sermon at Bangor Cathedral spoke volumes. Anyone with eyes focussed on ++Cherry's reaction when she recognised the swell of spontaneous respect he had would have clocked her embarrassment as the likely mistakes that had been made; she at the helm.
Mind you [Breaking News] David might prefer to stay well clear of Bangor. Word is that having been booted out of Bangor Cathedral, booted out of his high earning job in some Cambridge college, Sion ap Rhys has now also been booted out of his London luxury love-nest and has returned, jobless, to live with mummy in Anglesey. One wonders if he still holds his 'licence to officiate' and if yes, why?
I sincerely hope David will do well. Im sure as I am as sicophantic as ad clerum, though. Popularity does not, and rarely, goes hand-in-hand with competence. Looking sincere whilst also lookong over your shoulder to see the next most important person in the room is a well sharpened skill for him.
However, he wad put in a position he shouldnt have been put in and simply did not have the expereince to be the wise leader he needed to be. And for that he has my overwhelming sympathy. The health of the apple can be corrupted by the rotteness of the barrel.
Has sion ap R been through any disciplinary tribunal of the cinw?
However, David’s conduct reveals a striking disparity between the values he professes and those he demonstrates.. Faced with the opportunity to support those who he could plainly see needed it, he instead appeared to favour deference to authority over integrity and moral courage. Such sycophantic tendencies may bring short-term (as it turns out) advantage, but they seldom earn lasting respect. Everyone would do well to remember the dywediad, be careful who you tread upon on the way up, for they are often the very people you meet on the way back down. A leopard rarely changes its spots and, based on nights of wine fuelled activity with David while I served on the Bishop’s staff before my move to the Diocese of Llandaff, I have little reason to believe he is any different today, "Dydw i ddim yn meddwl y gellir ymddiried ynddo fe."
Serving on 'the bishop's staff' is nothing I would be particularly boastful of, but Organ Player's indiscretions ref 'fuelled activity' with +David questions the integrity of the blogger. With friends like him who needs enemies. As a former bishop's staff member, Organ Player ought to know the correct channels for raising complaints. Ancient Briton is not one of them.
You're taking the Michael. Have you tried using the "correct channels"? Total waste of time and effort. Ask the two Davids, or at least the one who's still with us, about how their representations and concerns about the Llandaff Organ Appeal fiddle were received. How do you think "I am the accuser" Caiaphas earned her well deserved epithet? For an observer you're peculiarly unobservant, are you a planker perchance?
For the record, Subversive Canon, yes I do know how the CORRECT channels of raising concerns (and complaints) work when applied. Here in Bangor, a long-standing congregant of the cathedral raised some serious allegations against a particular 'senior' clergyperson of the diocese.
He set his grievance out in e.mail to Archbishop Vann on a Saturday morning. By the afternoon he'd swiftly received an 'acknowledgement' receipt from ++Vann and on the Sunday another asking if he would be prepared to allow her to 'deal' with the problem or whether he wished to procedurally formalise it. He chose the former.
The complained-of cleric was contacted by ++Vann that Sunday afternoon and hauled down to Monmouth on the Monday. ++Vann e.mailed precis to the complainant on Monday confirming that they had spoken and that he could expect a fulsome, personal, apology from the cleric in short-order. The apology was duely proffered - although apparently through gritted teeth. The matter had been resolved. For good measure, the complainant later found that the said 'cleric' had been removed from one of his more cherished appointments. Job Done.
I too had similar 'good outcome' experience with the late +Bishop Anthony Crocket in Bangor. I raised a serious complaint against a well known Bangor priest with him; he listened and offered me the same option: 'leave it with me or go through the process'. The former seemed the faster and easier route. Within four days, that particular priest had been fully removed from his office and 'living' and persuaded to take his 'vocation' elsewhere. He did. He had no choice.
Both examples, Subversive Canon, executed via the correct channels without any 'subversion' which you appear proud to boast.
So when you ask whether I am 'taking the Michael' I'll suggest that you ought perhaps not Take the Piss. There are those on Ancient Briton's site who are not to be minced with. Meanwhile, I remain in full admiration for folk like +David Morris who refuse to rise to the disloyalty of former colleagues who he may or may not have enjoyed a glass or two of wine as reported by cringe Organ Player.
I’m not one to normally comment t, however A Observer, I have to say, Fascinating….Two anecdotes, several bishops, a handful of personal endorsements and somehow we’ve arrived at the conclusion that everyone else’s experience must therefore be invalid. That’s rather like insisting the NHS has no waiting lists because your own appointment started on time. Your entitled postulating is nauseous, every example ends with you or the subject of your attempts at validating your position emerging vindicated and the subject of the complaint dispatched. It makes for an entertaining memoir, but a rather less convincing argument that the Church’s complaints process is equitable, impartial and worthy of universal confidence. I think it is rather you that is ‘ cymryd y piss ‘ you appear quiet frankly to be no more than a chwilen ddu.. which is exactly why I have been moved to comment….
Maybe there are two Rob Jones's; one of them isn't him and the other seems to think we're all daft or as Converted Exile observes: 'a lot more stupid' than he was while in Bangor.. Rob Jones (the real one, not the one that's not him) would reasonably give himself the moniker 'Organ Player' as he was an 'Organ Scholar' at Bangor. There was only one member of +Andrew's Staff who deserted his post to take refuge in Llandaff: Rob Jones the Organ Player. Rob Jones (the real one not the 'its not me' one) was part of the cathedral cabal and close enough to +David to share a few social slurps of wine ... hence his outburst here. So, Rob Jones it is. Yep, the same one who shares something in common with that other loopy-tune castration Sion ap Rhys: both were ordained against all warnings not to by the equally failed bishop Andy John. Further example of ++John's astonishing failures
Larry noMates and Oxygen thief.
ReplyDeleteDoes it still draw breath?
Alive and still ordaining. A witness to us all.
DeletePadarn.
Witless is nearer the mark.
DeleteA bully and all round bad egg.
I see Bishop Morris is to be licensed as a parish priest in St Asaph Diocese. I didn’t think he would have the good sense or humility to do that, and I’m pleased to note I was wrong. I hope it goes well for him and for the parish, and he learns what he needs to about healthy leadership along the way.
ReplyDeleteI'm delighted that perhaps your views regarding David Morris have mellowed, Duddleswell. The fact is that while he was so cruelly betrayed and 'prosecuted' by his Bench of Bishop peers as scapegoat for the gross failings of others - including them - he was overwhelmingly loved, respected and regarded by the mass of Bangor diocese congregants (the cathedral particularly) and if truth be told, many of the clergy - but clergy without the spine to speak out in his defence.
DeleteSion ap Rhys had that ability to fool if not threaten all in his cross-hairs who stood in the way of his machinations. David was one of the few who saw through it and acted. The bag of worms which was then exposed, then also exposed the ineptitude of the RB, GB and Bench of Bishobs. David now was in the gun-sight.
If there were a Clacton-like by-election in Bangor to decide a new bishop with only two candidates, David Morris or the Reverend Binface there is little doubt the outcome. It's just pity there can't be.
The standing ovation he received after delivering his 'farewell' sermon at Bangor Cathedral spoke volumes. Anyone with eyes focussed on ++Cherry's reaction when she recognised the swell of spontaneous respect he had would have clocked her embarrassment as the likely mistakes that had been made; she at the helm.
Mind you [Breaking News] David might prefer to stay well clear of Bangor. Word is that having been booted out of Bangor Cathedral, booted out of his high earning job in some Cambridge college, Sion ap Rhys has now also been booted out of his London luxury love-nest and has returned, jobless, to live with mummy in Anglesey. One wonders if he still holds his 'licence to officiate' and if yes, why?
With the Menai Suspension Bridge almost permanently closed, how on earth was Sion ap-Rhys Evans able to travel back to Anglesey to live with 'mummy'?
DeleteCan he REALLY walk on water???
No, I should think he purchased a magic carpet as part of his bulk buy from the Temu Tat Emporium when created Ersatz Cardinal…
DeleteI sincerely hope David will do well. Im sure as I am as sicophantic as ad clerum, though. Popularity does not, and rarely, goes hand-in-hand with competence. Looking sincere whilst also lookong over your shoulder to see the next most important person in the room is a well sharpened skill for him.
ReplyDeleteHowever, he wad put in a position he shouldnt have been put in and simply did not have the expereince to be the wise leader he needed to be. And for that he has my overwhelming sympathy. The health of the apple can be corrupted by the rotteness of the barrel.
Has sion ap R been through any disciplinary tribunal of the cinw?
Converted exile
However, David’s conduct reveals a striking disparity between the values he professes and those he demonstrates.. Faced with the opportunity to support those who he could plainly see needed it, he instead appeared to favour deference to authority over integrity and moral courage. Such sycophantic tendencies may bring short-term (as it turns out) advantage, but they seldom earn lasting respect. Everyone would do well to remember the dywediad, be careful who you tread upon on the way up, for they are often the very people you meet on the way back down. A leopard rarely changes its spots and, based on nights of wine fuelled activity with David while I served on the Bishop’s staff before my move to the Diocese of Llandaff, I have little reason to believe he is any different today, "Dydw i ddim yn meddwl y gellir ymddiried ynddo fe."
DeleteServing on 'the bishop's staff' is nothing I would be particularly boastful of, but Organ Player's indiscretions ref 'fuelled activity' with +David questions the integrity of the blogger. With friends like him who needs enemies. As a former bishop's staff member, Organ Player ought to know the correct channels for raising complaints. Ancient Briton is not one of them.
DeleteYou're taking the Michael.
DeleteHave you tried using the "correct channels"?
Total waste of time and effort.
Ask the two Davids, or at least the one who's still with us, about how their representations and concerns about the Llandaff Organ Appeal fiddle were received.
How do you think "I am the accuser" Caiaphas earned her well deserved epithet?
For an observer you're peculiarly unobservant, are you a planker perchance?
For the record, Subversive Canon, yes I do know how the CORRECT channels of raising concerns (and complaints) work when applied. Here in Bangor, a long-standing congregant of the cathedral raised some serious allegations against a particular 'senior' clergyperson of the diocese.
DeleteHe set his grievance out in e.mail to Archbishop Vann on a Saturday morning. By the afternoon he'd swiftly received an 'acknowledgement' receipt from ++Vann and on the Sunday another asking if he would be prepared to allow her to 'deal' with the problem or whether he wished to procedurally formalise it. He chose the former.
The complained-of cleric was contacted by ++Vann that Sunday afternoon and hauled down to Monmouth on the Monday. ++Vann e.mailed precis to the complainant on Monday confirming that they had spoken and that he could expect a fulsome, personal, apology from the cleric in short-order. The apology was duely proffered - although apparently through gritted teeth. The matter had been resolved. For good measure, the complainant later found that the said 'cleric' had been removed from one of his more cherished appointments. Job Done.
I too had similar 'good outcome' experience with the late +Bishop Anthony Crocket in Bangor. I raised a serious complaint against a well known Bangor priest with him; he listened and offered me the same option: 'leave it with me or go through the process'. The former seemed the faster and easier route. Within four days, that particular priest had been fully removed from his office and 'living' and persuaded to take his 'vocation' elsewhere. He did. He had no choice.
Both examples, Subversive Canon, executed via the correct channels without any 'subversion' which you appear proud to boast.
So when you ask whether I am 'taking the Michael' I'll suggest that you ought perhaps not Take the Piss. There are those on Ancient Briton's site who are not to be minced with. Meanwhile, I remain in full admiration for folk like +David Morris who refuse to rise to the disloyalty of former colleagues who he may or may not have enjoyed a glass or two of wine as reported by cringe Organ Player.
I’m not one to normally comment t, however A Observer, I have to say, Fascinating….Two anecdotes, several bishops, a handful of personal endorsements and somehow we’ve arrived at the conclusion that everyone else’s experience must therefore be invalid. That’s rather like insisting the NHS has no waiting lists because your own appointment started on time. Your entitled postulating is nauseous, every example ends with you or the subject of your attempts at validating your position emerging vindicated and the subject of the complaint dispatched. It makes for an entertaining memoir, but a rather less convincing argument that the Church’s complaints process is equitable, impartial and worthy of universal confidence. I think it is rather you that is ‘ cymryd y piss ‘ you appear quiet frankly to be no more than a chwilen ddu.. which is exactly why I have been moved to comment….
DeleteEither Rob Jones has become a lot more stupid since i last saw him or someone wants us to think its rob jones.
ReplyDeleteConverted exile
I don’t think it’s ok to use names. It’s not me.
DeleteMaybe there are two Rob Jones's; one of them isn't him and the other seems to think we're all daft or as Converted Exile observes: 'a lot more stupid' than he was while in Bangor.. Rob Jones (the real one, not the one that's not him) would reasonably give himself the moniker 'Organ Player' as he was an 'Organ Scholar' at Bangor.
DeleteThere was only one member of +Andrew's Staff who deserted his post to take refuge in Llandaff: Rob Jones the Organ Player.
Rob Jones (the real one not the 'its not me' one) was part of the cathedral cabal and close enough to +David to share a few social slurps of wine ... hence his outburst here.
So, Rob Jones it is. Yep, the same one who shares something in common with that other loopy-tune castration Sion ap Rhys: both were ordained against all warnings not to by the equally failed bishop Andy John. Further example of ++John's astonishing failures