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| Church in Wales bishops, from left: Bishop John Lomas, Bishop June Osborne, Bishop Gregory Cameron, Archbishop Andrew John, Bishop Joanna Penberthy, Bishop Cherry Vann and Bishop Mary Stallard. Source: Church in Wales |
The apparently not-at-all-busy archbishop of Wales who needs an assistant to help him do next to nothing has surfaced to make what he regards is an important announcement along with other like-minded Anglicans who are promoting same sex marriage.
Marching off to Lambeth, not with the cross of Jesus, but with the LGBT banner going on before, the most reverend Andrew John, bishop of Bangor and archbishop of Wales proclaims: "The draft Lambeth Call on human dignity “undermines and subverts" LGBT+ people...the bishops pledge to work to amend the passage “to reflect more adequately our understanding of their equal place in the Church".
That is a distortion of the facts.
LGBT+ people already have more than an equal place in the Church. Gay bishops, LGBT chaplains, same-sex blessings, pride eucharists. All are welcomed and affirmed.
By contrast, Anglicans who, in conscience, are unable to accept the new order, the ordained ministry of women and the liberal agenda that has come with it are cast aside without a thought. There is no longer even a pretence of any place for them in the Church. That evaporated as soon as the movement for the ordination of women achieved their goal.
The female dominated bench of bishops shows no desire to provide an equal place for Anglicans who have not swallowed their propaganda.
That is a battle lost but the baggage that has come with it continues. For many Anglicans the institution of marriage is sacred. As the official policy of the Church in Wales states:
"Drawing on the teaching of the Bible, and of the Church down through the centuries, the Church in Wales Marriage Service talks about marriage as a gift of God. Marriage is described as the lifelong, faithful union between a man and a woman, and married love is compared with the love Jesus has for his people – a love expressed in his willing sacrifice of himself on the cross."
To uphold this officially stated view is being characterised as homophobic while the bishops openly campaign to allow same sex marriage in Church, the archbishop of Wales' first expressed wish after his enthronement.
For the women's movement, first they demanded equality based on secular standards, then parity, already surpassed but the female dominated bench shows no desire to provide an equal place for Anglicans who have not succumbed to their falsehoods.
The bishops of the Church in Wales have become a joke outside their own province. Why should anyone at Lambeth listen to them when their message is anathema to the vast majority of Anglicans and other Christians around the world.
Ironically the lead author in the Lambeth Conference drafting process for The Lambeth Call on Christian Unity is bishop Gregory Cameron - see pages 5 and 44 of the link to LAMBETH CALLS: GUIDANCE AND STUDY DOCUMENTS. The section begins:
"We are committed to the work of unity. We confess we are not united and for Christians that is a scandal and a cause of shame. We urge all our sisters and brothers to commit to work for unity and we call especially on our ecumenical partners to help us, work with us and enable us to move closer to one another."
Yes, it is a scandal. Trendy Anglican bishops are renouncing the faith and dragging down others with them instead of saving their souls.
Postscripts
[27/07/2022] Motion of no confidence threat for Justin Welby over the Lambeth Calls surrender
[28/07/2022] From Christian Today: "Bishops who deny the Gospel 'should be removed from their positions'."
[29.07.2022] ORTHODOX bishops at the Lambeth Conference - representing 75% of the Anglican Communion - announced today (29JUL) that they will be tabling their own ‘Lambeth Resolution (Call)’.
The LGBT bishops and clergy in the CinW must be challenged and taken down - as a first step in restoring Biblical truths.
ReplyDeleteLW
Nein!
DeleteThe first move is to undermine women's ordination.
The homosexual priest relies upon the succes of feminist ideology:
If sex is irrelevant to the priesthood; then so is sexual orientation.
The argument from the transgendered is:
If men and women are the same; then there an be no objection to transgendered priests.
The deconstruction of feminist ideology within the Church in Wales is the principal objective of the new and concealed (so far) of the:
Judaeo-Christian Knights of Faith.
Sex isn't irrelevant to the Priesthood.
DeleteWhere did you get that idea?
The bishops of the Cult in Wales are a joke inside their own province, never mind outside it!
ReplyDeleteClowns 🤡 to the left, jokers 🃏 to the right and the chocolate teapot stuck in the middle.
DeleteZero caritas.
DeleteZero dignitas.
Zero gravitas.
Zero veritas.
Herds of sillyass.
Beyond belief?
DeleteBeyond parody more like.
The notion that any invisible imaginary but omnipotent God needs or chose any of that lot is utterly beyond belief.
'Beyond Belief': Good title AB. The last time it was used was by Emlyn Williams in his account of killers Myra Hindley and Ian Brady. Ironic you should choose the same in reporting on the murder of an entire church. (At least Brady was deemed insane :: Andrew John is just rumoured to be).
ReplyDeleteAd Clerum
It's nothing short of a miracle some fool didn't suggest they look cross-eyed and stick their tongues out whilst adopting utterly inane poses.
ReplyDeleteOr maybe they did but the photographic evidence has been deleted?
They have walked beyond belief in one holy, catholic, and apostolic Church all right. This new unbiblical religion of theirs is truly beyond belief.
ReplyDeleteMaking a mockery of us!
ReplyDeleteDespite all the warnings, the swamp of filth that started in Llandaff has now spread to the entire province.
ReplyDeleteThe dead hand of Darth --Insidious is still pulling the strings.
I do think we should pray on this more.
ReplyDeleteThe issue has been prayed over since Sodom and Gomorrah and settled by all the Abrahamic faiths for millenia.
DeleteHow much more prayer do you think is needed Sarah?
For what do you suggest we pray?
DeleteCan we start with a prayer that the plankers be converted to Christianity?
DeleteSeymour
Well said Seymour, but I fear that rather than praying for such a miracle, that would be trying to raise the dead!
DeleteFor all the use they are, the plankers might just as well be involved in this.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-62291116
Although the trees might object.
`charlatan
ReplyDelete/ˈʃɑːlət(ə)n/
noun: charlatan; plural noun: charlatans,
a person falsely claiming to have a special knowledge or skill,` and decides to ignore parts of the book from which they should be teaching for which they will be judged.
Their statement speaks of 75 million anglicans worldwide but ignores the reality of less than 15,000 in Wales.
ReplyDeleteThese fools are statistically irrelevant and they should be treated as such.
What a waste of seven bishop's salaries.
Stop your giving.
Seven Australian rugby players stand up for their rights not to be forced to accept the LGBT propaganda.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-62301091
No doubt they will not be subjected to a torrent of abuse from social media and labelled homiphobic or worse.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-62294660
DeleteThe queering of school literature is the next box on the tick list.
Bewildered
The Welsh Assembly/Senedd (Abysmally Failed Education Dept) has already taken the lead on this as recently reported on local BBC TV news. Unfortunately of course, few if any CinW Diocese still retain Diocesan Directors of Education to watchdog standards. It will be interesting to see how Church in Wales Voluntary Controlled (VC) school head teachers and Governors respond to the present LGBTQ+ etc. literature aimed at kids as young as 5. So, 'Bewildered' not just next on the tick-box. It's already here. Sick isn't it.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-62311410
ReplyDeleteBishop robbed of jewellery.
Randy Pandy wishes...
🤣 🤣 🤣
So much for storing one's treasure in Heaven.
DeleteRecently our country got rid of a prime minister that did not abide by his own rules and laws, how do we rid ourselves of an archbishop and bishops that do not abide by God's law and are leading the souls of people into hell instead of heaven ?
ReplyDeleteSee Sam Margrave's letter to the apostate Welby, I think and hope he's on to something, though I haven't heard of sheep in wolves clothing before.
DeleteAncient Briton has beaten me to it and kindly posted a link already under the heading "Postscript", above.
If only there was a member of the Governing Body of the Church in Wales that had the courage to write such a letter to Randy Pandy but as we know from long experience, they're all neutered poodles.
So we're not the only ones thinking all the bishops in the Cult in Wales are false prophets and teachers.
DeleteRead it, gnash your teeth, wail and weep TP.
Mr Margrave is quite right.
DeleteThe plankers in Wales shouldn't have been invited or allowed to attend the Synod.
What a pity he hasn't also tabled a motion to have the Cult in Wales kicked out of the Anglican Communion altogether.
Affirming the Biblical definition of marriage is a step way too far for their limited abilities and intellects when they are unable even to provide a definition of "woman".
DeleteWelsh Presbyterians are also selling up their Chapels.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-62316555
It's nothing personal, only business.
https://youtu.be/NUIaG5_-uMU
ReplyDeleteLatest episode of Anglican Unscripted.
Start watching from 12 minutes for details of the liberals hissy fits and Justin's shit storm.
And that's two whole days before the Lambeth Conference has even begun. 😂🤣😂🤣😂
I would heartily recommend Anglican Unscripted. Kevin and George are always worth listening to whether video or podcast. They are old fashioned journalists and orthodox Anglicans who verify their sources and tell the truth. And they go back a long way. George, a mature student at Oxford in 1998, really did type out Lambeth 1:10, so he does know what he’s talking about; he was there. They also have wide knowledge of the Anglican Church throughout the world, having been with Gafcom for example and the Jerusalem Declaration. They’ve had some hard things to say about English bishops from Welby down, and also our new Welsh Archbishop but they are never snide nor mean, although frequently almost speechless with horror. Their last few episodes provide a clear picture of the present shenanigans going on in Canterbury. Watch them before they get cancelled.
DeleteThe Church Times reports that the ABC wants to stay until 70 - if people are happy with his leadership? Wonderful Justin, after all you've done so well haven't you? At least he can console himself in the fact there is a worse archbishop in the British Isles now,
ReplyDeleteCarry On Anglicanism......
Whamab
And if he's not wanted when will he go?
DeleteHe was caught with his trousers down around his ankles a couple of years ago over zero hours contracts and should have gone then.
Go now Justin you prat!
I thank God and Pope Benedict for the Ordinariate. The Anglican Church in Wales seems to me a particularly dreadful case of what can happen when a small well organised group gains control.
ReplyDeleteAnd that's just the Bishops!
DeleteHas Peggy the Pilate retired to Belfast to wreak more of her havoc there?
ReplyDeletehttps://www.belfastcathedral.org/news/restructuring-of-belfast-cathedral-music-department
Have the fools on the Belfast chapter learned nothing from the Llandaff disaster?
Clearly not.
It's not that long ago they were claiming financial difficulties again.
Deletehttps://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/features/i-loved-being-at-the-westminster-abbey-of-northern-ireland-but-its-sad-the-way-my-time-there-ended-31512219.html
As my chum 'Old Bill' asked last night: what ever happened to the powerful voice of reason of the Mothers' Union in matters such as those now stomach-churning the traditionalists of the C-in-W and to lesser extent CofE? The MU was once the cornerstone of every parish and diocese; no vicar daring to vex their anger or challenge their high morals. They'd keep churches clean, organise the flower arranging and stewarding rotas, plan the Sunday School trips and parties, bake the cakes and fill the tea-urns. All they asked in return was that the C-in-W maintain their moral and Christian standards. If they still exist - and haven't yet been infiltrated by LGBTQ+ - where's their voice in this debate. (I was going to write 'penetrated' by, but under circumstance, 'infiltrated' is more delicate). I have no doubt that if the Women's Institute were the body under affiliation with the Anglican church rather than the MU, then the chorus of protest would have been vociferously screamed out by now. Can it be true that the only remains of the Mother's Union are their banners gathering cobwebs and dust and left forgotten in some vestry cleaning cupboards??? That WOULD be the end of the church as we knew it.
ReplyDeleteAd Clerum
If there's any left they'd be known as the Grandmother's Union by now.
DeleteImagine, the Jam and Jerusalem crowd infested with trans women demanding to share their toilet facilities.
The MU claims 2000 members in Llandaff Diocese alone: https://www.mothersunion.org/diocese/llandaff, with members on other Dioceses. Please do your research before commenting!
DeleteFor God's sake get a sense of humour man!
DeleteThe Cult in Wales "claims" it has over 20,000 attending every Sunday morning but we all know what a crock of sh*t that is!
Llandaff Cathedral has been hiding their communicant numbers since December 2015 so what does that tell you - the numbers have gone up?
"Claims".
DeleteSays it all!
Caiaphas claims to represent the people of the Llandaff Diocese.
DeleteYou may rest assured she does nothing of the sort and about ten months from now the good people of Llandaff will be glad to see the back of her.
@Baptist Trainfan
Deletehttps://www.mothersunion.org/diocese/llandaff
FYI, the Llandaff Diocesan MU website clearly states
80 groups
1219 members
10 projects
You were saying?
I suspect Ad Clerum and Old Bill will find that Branches of the Mother's Union are dissappearing as quickly as the Parishes in which they used to exist. Probably amalgamated into one single group for each new Misery Area.
DeleteA brief visit to the relevant Facebook pages reveal Crocodile Dundee is spot on and the ladies in photos of Deanery services are few in number and mostly pensioners, like the congregations from which they are drawn.
On the face of it the MU is facing the same decline and demographic time bomb as the clergy and the Church in Wales as a whole.
The Mothers Union in Llandaff is entirely inclusive and accepting of LGBT marriages and civil partnerships. Keep up Croc!
ReplyDeleteProud Mum of Gay Son
In which case leave the Anglican Communion.
DeletePride once more.
Utterly shameless.
What about your husband, is he allowed to express an opinion or do you wear the trousers?
TrulyPerverse is back already!
DeleteAnd if you're in the Mother's Union then I'm a Pantomime horse. 😂
https://www.mothersunionllandaff.org/our-objectives/
DeleteThe MU's stated and published primary objective contradicts you entirely "Proud Mum of Gay Son".
Which makes you a brazen liar!
`Mothers Union Objectives
DeleteOur aim is the advancement of the Christian religion in the sphere of marriage and family life.
In order to carry out this Aim our objectives are:
To uphold Christ’s teaching on the nature of marriage and to promote its wider understanding.
To encourage parents to bring up their children in the faith and life of the Church.
To maintain a worldwide fellowship of Christians united in prayer, worship and service.
To promote conditions in society favourable to stable family life and the protection of children.
To help those whose family life has met with adversity`.
@PMoGS
DeleteWhat authority do you have to be making public statements about Mother's Union policy and objectives, either from your Branch or national level?
Personal authority, personal experience and this forum is hardly public in the transparent sense in which you use the term. When did I claim to speak at the national level - you sound pompous. I merely shared a joyful story from our recent family experience of the local church. It was magical.
DeleteProud Mum of Gay Son
You have done nothing of the sort.
DeleteYour very first post, in response to Crocodile Dundee, made claims that (if true) fly in the face of formal published MU aims and objectives, and bring your branch specifically, and the MU generally (registered charity number 240531), into disrepute.
What's claimed on websites especially old ones, Trainfan, and what's reality in the pews are poles apart. Up here in Gogland they're very thin on the ground. I'm not even sure if they have a branch at Bangor's St Deiniol's cathedral any more. But even giving Llandaff Diocese Mothers Union the benefit of the doubt, then let's return to my question: where's their voice??? They would once have been the voicepiece for the sanctity of (m/f) marriage and guardians of morality. Few bishops would have ignored their 'lobby. As for researching prior to engaging; many decades of sound ear to the ground (normally well-proved in both social and professional life) suits me. However, your figure of 2,000 MU members in Llandaff alone doesn't sit statistically with the dire official figures of the total number of CinW attending members ... of all six diocese. Sums by extrapolation don't add up. But there again, in Llandaff, adding-up and bean-counting was never a strong point was it?!
ReplyDeleteAd Clerum
As I say, my experience as the mother of a gay (married) son in Llandaff is that the MU uphold the sanctity of marriage. Many MU friends attended his marriage. My own local branch are more focussed on food poverty and raising money for the caravans for poor families. I suggest you should too.
ReplyDeleteProud Mum of Gay Son
Under resolution 1.10 your son can't be gay and married in the Anglican Communion.
DeleteI say you speak with forked tongue.
The "sanctity" of marriage is one man and one woman.
Were you married under that rule or are you a hypocrite too?
My son married at the registry office and had a blessing at our local parish church. The MU provided a gorgeous cake for the celebration.
DeleteProud Mum of Gay Son
So the established facts are one, your gay son hasn't been married by an Anglican priest, two, he and his boyfriend haven't received the sacrament of Holy Marriage and three, your branch of the MU no longer upholds "Christ's teaching on the nature of marriage" or "promote its wider understanding".
DeleteYour claim that the MU upholds "the sanctity of marriage" is brazenly false at your Branch.
To which branch of the Llandaff Mother's Union do you claim to belong?
This matter needs to be taken further and raised with the MU national head office.
As I understand, same sex marriage is not yet possible in the Church in Wales? My son therefore got married at the local registry office. He and his husband then had their marriage blessed in the local parish church. I shall not be revealing which parish that is - the point, being, nothing worthy of investigation has taken place. All above aboard. As for the local branch of the MU providing a cake, I thought that a lovely gesture and I am surprised that that has caused any offence.
DeleteHope that establishes the facts, Martha. Pop your address here and I am sure we'll be able to send you a slice of the celebration cake.
Proud Mum of Gay Son
How does the archbishop of Wales expect a Holy God who has set out his rules in his Holy living Word to bless the Church in Wales when the archbishop wants to bless sinfull relationships through allowing gay marriages ? Both Jesus and John the Baptist told us to repent of our sins, they did not say carry on sinning. `Repent | rɪˈpɛnt |
ReplyDeleteverb [no object]
feel or express sincere regret or remorse about one's wrongdoing or sin: the Padre urged his listeners to repent | he repented of his action.
• [with object] view or think of (an action or omission) with deep regret or remorse:
• (repent oneself) feel regret or penitence about: I repent of all I did`.
My son doesn’t need to repent anything with respect to his sexuality. I haven’t seen him happier. He tried hard to repress his identity for several years and the outcome of that was a complete breakdown. Now that he has come to accept his sexuality with the help of an affirming parish priest, he’s well and happy. Both his Dad and I are delighted he has found peace and now married the love of his life.
ReplyDeleteProud Mum of Gay Son
Would the "affirming parish priest" just happen to be gay too?
DeleteNobody, except you, has mentioned any sins of your son or repentance.
DeleteThe issue under discussion are your contradictory claims that 'The Mother's Union in Llandaff is entirely inclusive and accepting of LGBT marriages and civil partnerships' whilst simultaneously claiming that in Llandaff 'the MU uphold the sanctity of marriage.'
These can't both be true!
So which is it?
The parish priest is not gay as far as I can tell - married with two children and a spaniel. My son and his husband did not detect anything on their gaydars when they met her.
DeleteProud Mum of Gay Som
A priestess, one of Peggy the Pilate's coven.
DeleteThat explains it.
Two kids and a dog but no mention of a husband.
Delete"As far as I can tell" sounds suspiciously and typically evasive.
Maybe divorced and now lesbian?
I am not impressed by the 'proud' mum of the 'Pride' son who gloats that her son and his married wife/husband had their wedding 'blessed' in an Anglican Church with or without a cackle of MU members there in rejoicing support. (The cakes they bought were presumably either Fairy cakes or Queen cakes?) A chum of mine who donated his beloved Land Rover (converted for stretcher-carrying military casualties in the Ukraine) had it 'blessed' by his local vicar before it set off. The sub-dean and LGBTQ-holic of Bangor recently 'blessed' a blooming PIANO wafting it in incense smoke for good measure !!! There was no obligation for the said piano to be even Christian. I sneezed this morning and the till-lady at TESCO 'blessed' me. ++Andrew John took his second wife to a church for post Register Office blessing or perhaps just a nice photo-shoot location. I'm not sure if God really cares much who or what gets blessed but if it brought joy to 'Proud Mum of Gay Son' then good luck to her. The Vicar of Dibley blessed a pig. That was a joke too ... but meant to be.
ReplyDeleteBut will the MU answer my original point. Is the MU supportive or negative towards gay same-sex marriages officiated by Priests of the C-in-W and in churches supported by the rest of us. If 'Yes' or if 'No' to either impediment, then ... "speak now or forever hold your peace" as the Banns go. No more waffle. If against, then speak up. Lobby your Bishops. If all for it, that too is fine ... but just make it clear.
Ad Clerum
The MU website with its stated aims have already made it clear.
DeletePMoGS is a heretic and should be kicked out, with all her cake donating friends, from the MU for having clearly brought it into disrepute.
Likewise the Cult in Wales should be kicked out of the Anglican Communion for the same reasons.
One thing is certain.
DeleteThe MU will not thank PMoGS for sounding off and dragging their organisation into this dispute.
While we're at it Ad Clerum, let's ask the MU for their official definition of a woman.
Providing one has proven to be too great a challenge for the bishops of the Church of England so let's see if the MU can do any better.
The smart money is on a stony deafening silence.
Wasn't aware that marriage in a registry office followed by a blessing in church was in dispute dyslexic? Not sure you are as smart as you like to make out. Dumbo.
DeleteProud Mum of Gay Son
Oh dear, resorting to childish name-calling so soon?
DeleteYou've lost the argument but then, you knew that already.
The issues under discussion are those you raised in your very first post.
The Mother's Union is not accepting of gay marriage or civil partnerships.
Full stop and end of.
Your refusal to reveal the name of the branch to which you refer speaks volumes,but as we have all been reminded recently, there's more than one way to skin a cat.
How refreshing to see the 75% Orthodox Bishops throwing down the gauntlet to Welby.
ReplyDeleteOdds on the spineless ninny won't sign their resolution.
True enough. But any hope of the new bishop of Swansea and Brecon, John Lomas, being an influence for good has proven to be utterly forlorn. He's fallen into line with the other plankers in double quick time.
DeleteHe's a liberal.
DeletePJ
https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2022/5-august/news/uk/lambeth-2022-global-south-bishops-press-for-re-affirmation-of-resolution-110
ReplyDeleteWelby is being mealy-mouthed and wriggling like a worm on a bait hook.
What a pathetic specimen he is.
No Proud Mum. No dispute at all. There are no vows to God or obeyances of God's expectations in Registry Office weddings; that's their appeal to Pagans, agnostics etc. A Registry Office wedding isn't a Christian wedding, nor Hindu, nor Buddhist; its a Legal process. Equally, as previously mentioned, the sub-dean of Bangor recently 'blesssed' a blooming cathedral piano, my mate's Land Rover was blessed by his vicar, the Tesco lady blessed me when I sneezed. No vows undertaken, no promises made to God, no question of whether Land Rover was a male or female 4x4. Blessings are totally meaningless so your son, bless him, and his husband are in something of limbo. Married in the eyes of the Lord Chancellor (legal), but perhaps not in the eyes of God. Nothing to shout about m'dear.
ReplyDeleteAd Clerum
Registry Office wedding indeed! Its akin to buying a new car and sending off to the DVLC to have it Registered. No more than that. A legal document which generally benefits those who for financial legal-status gain such as Tax or later Probate want a 'marriage' Government-approved. And any thought that the Holy Spirit might take a blind bit of notice of a church blessing - whether conducted by a vicaress and her Mutt - is nullified by the wanton nonsense of 'blessings'; blessings prostituted by some clergy for photo-opportunity gains. Champagne-Charlie, the archfailure of Wales recently 'blesssing' an old railway loco to add to the piano, Land Rover and other non-animates. Does Proud Mum really believe that the Holy Spirit with all the Saints gives a hoot about 'blessings' when the clergy themselves have debased the rite.
ReplyDeleteGet a grip Mrs. Proud Mum. It would be nice to think that your newly-married gay son and his partner could soon deliver you with a grandchild so that you and the Llandaff MU can bake cakes to your hearts content and celebrate a Christian Baptism ... but of course, as with the 'sanctity' of same-sex marriage, that's pipe-dream.
Old Bill
You make too sharp a contrast as if to suggest that marriage in a secular context is not valid before God. We all know that the church was late on the scene in solemnising marriages and that first and foremost it’s a legally binding contract between two people. I quite like the separation of legal process and blessing that my son and his husband enjoyed; quite continental and particularly Catholic.
ReplyDeleteWe’ll have to disagree.
Proud Mum of Gay Son
You really ought to be in stand up comedy PMoGS, or appear as the intellectually and vertically challenged character in Snow White!
DeleteAnd you have the cheek to refer to another as 'Dumbo'?
The delicious irony: a secular marriage not valid before God?
🤣 🤣 🤣 Priceless.
As for your notion that the Church was "late on the scene in solemnising marriages", check your Sunday school lessons and then remind us all of the occasion of God's son performing his first miracle. (Hint, it involved turning water into wine.... 🍷...... Getting warm yet dear?)
Following that, you might relieve some of your considerable ignorance on the matter by referring yourself to the following.
https://www.qualifiedgenealogists.org/RQGNews/blog/civil-marriage
The answer you're looking for is 1867.
While you're at it, do us all a big favour and go easy on the "We all know" bit because *you* can't be included in the "We" bit and I really don't want to be drying out more than one set of undies in one day.
Continental and Catholic.
DeleteWho do you think you're kidding?
The Brexit referendum freed us of the first and we had a reformation to free us from the second.
Disagree?
No sh*t Sherlock.
Ignorance must be truly bliss.
On the basis of her expertise in Christian Theology, history and veracity PMoGS will be the next Archdruid of the Cult in Wales.
DeleteWho needs St. Padarn's when such high quality Lay expertise is freely available?
For God's sake Mum, shut up!
DeleteJesus Henry Christ, what a mother-in-law!
Delete🤦♂️ 🤦♂️ 🤦♂️ 🤦♂️
"Menai Straight" for the next Dean of Llandaff.
Deletehttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/bishops-take-a-hard-line-on-gays-1169846.html
ReplyDeleteLNER
All this Lambeth frivolity reminds me of a joke our old Rector used to tell us after his third large glass of port.
ReplyDeleteHow does one separate the men from the boys in a Seminary?
With a crow bar.
He used to chuckle away merrily at his own joke for at least an hour.
A real character, a good man, a fine pastor to his flock, straight as a die and hugely missed.
He must be spinning in his grave right now.
It was I, if you all recall, who triggered this banter by raising the fair question: "Where does the Mothers' Union stand in the same-sex marriage" business. It drew 'Proud Mum of Gay Son" to correspond and I respect although don't agree with her views. I doubt if even AB might recall a response which ignited so quickly; even bringing in new correspondents which is always welcome.
ReplyDeleteHowever, having just read the entry from "Gay Son of Proud Mum with big gob" pleading her to give it a rest; might we all now respect him too and call it a day. I hope no damage has been caused to their obviously nice mother-son relationship and I wish him and his partner a lovely life, I respect his mum for standing her ground (though I fault her theologies, her failed maths, her misrepresentations of the MU etc. etc.) and trust that we can now all turn to whatever next AB challenges us with.
The one question I posed at start of this was "Where does the MU stand ...". It still hasn't been answered, but do y'know, it doesn't matter anymore. Son of Mum has asked her to zip-it. That's the important thing. Let's all follow suit. Thank you.
Ad Clerum
Can't possibly agree sorry.
DeletePMoGS has made demonstrably false claims on behalf of the MU.
There's only one way this ends here and now and that is for her to withdraw her false claims and apologise to all legitimate members of the MU who maintain the published aims and objectives.
The problem is the damage done by PMoGS to the reputation of the Mother's Union.
DeleteNo-one asked her to stick her snout in so she only has herself to blame.
And her bullshit has to be challenged.
Surely you realise Son of Mum isn't really the son of Mum?
DeleteProud Mum is obviously a troll.
My guess is that PM was previously known as TP.
The style of writing and the nature of the outrageous and ludicrous claims are so typical of the invading gay cabal.
If the MU can be infiltrated/penetrated/misrepresented then so can AB's blog.
Remember, Satan walks among us.
Respectfully AC, it matters very much where the Mother's Union stands on such matters and you were quite right to ask the question.
DeleteJust because the only response (thus far) has come from an individual pushing an obvious agenda on the basis of false statements, dodgy theology and an almost unbelievable degree of ignorance doesn't make your original question go away or any less valid.
I would even go so far as to suggest that PMoGS initial contribution was designed specifically to provoke a response and generate support for her queering agenda.
Speaking only for myself, I am delighted with the quality and robustness of the challenges to her false claims and statements, rather than the usual pathetic wet pandering to the so-called liberal woke elite.
Long may it continue.
If only the clergy and Bishops of the last four decades had done likewise, the Anglican Communion wouldn't be in the current mess with the Cult in Wales facing imminent collapse.
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I take it that my views and the sincere experience of my family is not welcome here. And there was me hoping for an exchange of views and adult healthy discourse. I’ll shake the dust off my feet and leave you to your vacuous and stagnant echo chamber.
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To engage in such a discourse one would have to be adult and healthy but sadly you have severally demonstrated yourself as neither.
DeleteAll repentant sinners are welcome in God's house but rather than repentant you seem to rejoice in your flagrant disregard for the word of God and the rules of the Mother's Union.
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DeleteTwice in one week.
We're on a roll.
You didn't offer an exchange of views PMoGS but only a series of demonstrably false claims and statements.
DeleteYou'll be no loss to anyone here.
Thanks AB for all the information and the postscripts. It was very good to read what Ms Williams was quoted saying in Christian Today - "Faithful Anglicans around the world stand on the biblical principle of marriage between a man and a woman as taught in Scripture, reflected in the doctrine of the church throughout history and re-stated in Lambeth 1:10," she said.
ReplyDelete"Their voice is being silenced by a vocal and powerful minority of apostate Western and American Bishops.
"These bishops that deny the gospel should be removed from their positions rather than be allowed to use their influence to bully faithful Anglicans out of the space that is rightfully theirs.
"It is a great disservice to the gospel, its power and witness when Lambeth Palace allows this to happen."
Let us pray that unless they repent all these gay and LGBT+ backing bishops are removed from their positions.
Does anyone have any idea when the proposed vote of no confidence in Welby is due to take place?
ReplyDeleteNot soon enough!
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ReplyDeletehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-62424157
The latest reward from promiscuous gay sex.