Now we know what happened to Bangor’s proposed interim bishop.
One wasn’t found.
That explains why an interim bishop never arrived.
It does not explain what happened next.
In November 2025 the Church in Wales had reached an extraordinary conclusion about Bangor. Following its governance crisis, this was not the moment simply to elect another permanent diocesan bishop.
Bangor needed breathing space.
It needed experienced interim leadership.
It needed stability while governance, management and financial structures were repaired.
Archbishop Cherry Vann spoke of the possibility of “radical work”. The arrangement might last one or even two years.
So convinced was the Church of this course that Governing Body approved exceptional constitutional arrangements by 75 votes to four.
And then an interim bishop wasn’t found.
Fair enough.
But here is the problem.
The inability to find the person does not make the reason for needing that person disappear.
If Bangor was not ready for a permanent bishop in November, how did the failure to secure an interim bishop make it ready for one only months later?
A recruitment difficulty does not repair governance.
It does not resolve financial problems.
It does not restore damaged confidence.
And it certainly does not perform the “radical work” which the Archbishop herself had contemplated.
Yet the Church moved remarkably quickly from:
Bangor is not ready for a permanent bishop.
to:
We need an experienced interim bishop for perhaps two years.
to:
An interim bishop cannot be found.
to:
Let us elect a permanent bishop after all.
And the person elected was Manon James, who had herself been installed as Dean of Bangor only months earlier.
That is where the questions should begin.
Who decided that the failure to find an interim bishop justified abandoning the period of recovery for which that bishop had been required?
What assessment concluded that Bangor was now ready?
What had actually changed?
And when did Manon James first emerge as a prospective candidate for the permanent bishopric?
There may be perfectly satisfactory answers.
But “we couldn’t find an interim bishop” is not, by itself, one of them.
It explains why the proposed solution could not be implemented.
It does not explain why the problem the solution was designed to address apparently ceased to matter.
And that is the curious part of the Bangor story.
They couldn’t find the bishop they said Bangor needed.
So they appointed the permanent bishop they had previously said Bangor wasn’t ready for.
Simples. The plankers do as they please, and the GB are so weak they allow them to get away with it. But then, what retired bishop in their right mind would want to take on Bangor and its multiple problems?
" ... and it gives me great pleasure, Iman Abdullah, to hand Sion bin-Rhys Evans over to your safe hands as Sub-Mullah to the ISIS diocese of Afghanistan. May Mohammed be with him ...."
I don't know how much you've read of this story, but the Archbishop ended up with egg on her face when https://tinyurl.com/56znkjwzshe discovered that Ashrafi had been a supporter of Osama Bin Laden. See: https://tinyurl.com/56znkjwz (other news sources are available). Someone at Lambeth didn't did their research very well - although of course the gentleman's views might genuinely have changed over the intervening years.
I actually felt rather sorry for Canterbury here, as it’s no fun being unintentionally set up by your staff, unknowingly fronting the incompetence in front of the world’s press, and then having to rescind an award in the face of a scandal that was already out there for anybody with a single brain cell who was charged with doing due diligence to see. As always with these things, it’ll be what happens next that measures her culpability. She’s done the right thing rescinding the award, but if heads don’t roll at Lambeth, she’s no leader. This is not some little administrative error for brushing under the carpet and moving on.
@friar D I agree with you wholeheartedly, this feels like the team that is tasked with this due diligence has failed monumentally. Regrettable addition to the publics already poor opinion of clergy and the establishment as a whole. Sad.
Thanks to Damian Thompson @holysmoke for this. "This monologue by @ColinBrazierTV is magnificent and full of startling information. Did you know how many attacks there are *in this country* on Muslims who convert to Christianity?"
Why We Mock Christianity but Fear Islam. https://x.com/holysmoke/status/2101006892264743159
I have just sat and listened to this startling narration. I appreciated that as a faith, Christianity was under threat, particularly from certain other faiths and their cohorts, but I was staggered to hear the degree of the threat to which we are now subjected. I am scared at these prospects outlined by Colin. And i thank you, Damien, for highlighting this important broadcast. It must be shared everywhere.
Brazier is circling around the real question. Why does the Church now appear so utterly lacking in strong leadership?
Perhaps because it has spent years selecting against it.
Look at the modern culture of ordination. An extraordinary amount of effort now goes into facilitating candidates with ever greater levels of additional needs. Special arrangements, individual accommodations, learning support, wellbeing support, pastoral support, adjustments to formation. The institution seems capable of bending itself into almost any shape necessary to keep a weak livered candidate within the system.
Yet put a strong, independent, outspoken character into that same system and watch what happens.
They are “difficult”. They “don’t listen”. They “don’t reflect”. They make people uncomfortable. They challenge the wrong person. They refuse to nod politely at nonsense or conform to the limited understanding of the onanists proportions to be teaching faculty.
And out they go.
That isn’t compassion. It is institutional cowardice.
The result is entirely predictable. If you repeatedly remove the difficult, robust and independently minded while promoting those least likely to challenge the prevailing culture, eventually you don’t have leadership. You have compliance dressed up as leadership which is exactly what the new guard desires. Oh watch the governing body when a controversial topic (like external examination of how mission areas are ACTUALLY doing)! .plays out when the Bishops get flustered….
Then look at St Padarn’s.
This is the institution entrusted with producing the next generation of clergy for an entire province, yet there has been striking movement among its staff and, some remarkable circumstances behind the scenes. One member of staff has only recently returned from Edinburgh and the safety (indulgence of mummy and daddy) following a lengthy absence through anxiety and stress….really….try actually taking notes from John… Another lives in Northern Ireland and commutes to a theological college in Wales and spends as little time there as possible to ensuring he ‘catches his flight home’ not that his English is good enough to really comprehend. Another who is so far along the spectrum it is difficult to know wether to answer or stage an intervention…the spineless yellow livered yanker……There are serious questions about whether some of the people within this supposedly formative institution themselves require extraordinary levels of support (not)!
And this is the machine deciding who is strong enough, stable enough and suitable enough to lead the Church?
Really?
Then there is Bangor. After the cathedral debacle, the safeguarding and governance questions, the Archbishop’s departure and the extraordinary confusion over what was supposed to happen next, we have watched another extraordinary piece of ecclesiastical choreography: Manon James, formerly responsible for ministerial formation at St Padarn’s, becomes Dean of Bangor and then, within months, Bishop of Bangor.
At some point coincidence stops being an adequate substitute for scrutiny.
The Church appears endlessly willing to examine the candidate who doesn’t fit. When will it examine the people doing the selecting?
Because perhaps that is where the problem lies.
Christianity does not need another generation of frightened ecclesiastical managers fluent in the language of wellbeing, process and inclusion. It needs people with some steel in them. People capable of being disliked. People who can withstand pressure rather than requiring the world around them to be softened. People prepared to say that something is wrong even when the person responsible is wearing a purple shirt.
Instead we have created a culture in which weakness can be endlessly facilitated but strength has to be managed.
Then we look at Islam, see conviction, certainty and confidence, and wonder why Christianity appears so bloody anaemic beside it.
Stop wondering.
If you spend years weeding the strong characters out of an institution, this is what you get.
@AB Wouldn't know the answer to your Muslim/Christianity question poser, but per head of population (pro rata) maybe the same numbers as in Northern Ireland in the bad days of the 1970's of young women tarred and feathered, beaten and bruised, (often by their own kin) and occasionally their fathers knee-capped by the IRA's 'Nutting Squad' for permitting such outrage as converting from Catholic to Protestant for various reasons. Of course, this was Christian on Christian before Islamic society stepped foot into the Falls Road or 'Derry. I remember it well. He who throws the first stone ... etc.
Outside Nigeria, China is one of the most dangerous places in the world if you are 'Christian'. Under 18's are banned from worship and adults can meet only in their private dwellings and in secrecy; sermons at the very few 'approved' places of worship have to be State Security vetted first and Communist Party education included in the Order of Service. Under China's strict 'Sinicisation' programme digital surveillance of all suspected to be Christian is heavily monitored including in and around 'churches' Penalties to those captured on CCTV are horrendous - including the enforced removal of children from their parents for 're-education'. Much the same applies under the ruthless stick of Boko Haram,ISWAP and the Fulani Militia in Nigeria. There too, the technology of CCTV and digital surveillance is common-place. I don't much like having CCTV cameras broadcasting on You-Tube and other live-streaming sites at Bangor cathedral. It's an unnecessary intrusion on the privacy of my praying. But if I were one of the hundreds of Chrisian-Chinese students in Bangor I would steer well away. The Chinese political police in UK and enlarging alarmingly, are watchful of everything. And ditto the UK-based activists of fanatical Islamic groups with their 'cells' centred and funded by some rather dodgy Islamic Centres (known to security and intelligence agencies including Police CTC) also alert to Nigerian students in Britain ... with their intelligence methods now extending into churches and cathedrals and with facial recognition a risk too great for many with families still in Nigeria. The church (both CofE and C-in-W) wastes millions on what is laughingly known as 'Safeguarding' indeed, it seems there's more 'safeguarding' than there is 'praying'. So by promoting, producing and installing more and more 'social media' cameras on congregants as they pray - for free-gathering INTEL by agents against Christianity why on earth haven't they considered this risk. 'Old Bill' has far more knowledge of this than I (and we've discussed it). In his opinion its a 'no brainer' and most certainly a massive security overlook in our responsibilities in protecting many thousand of security sensitive congregants into our churches. The Police CTC (Counter Terrorist Command) is aware of it .... we seem to avoid it.
The above is most certainly something which ought to come under 'Safeguarding'. And if could explain the demise in the numbers of Chinese and Afro student 'congregants' at Bangor cathedral and perhaps other University town/city places of worship scanning the pews with video cameras for social networking.
At the very least, they ought to place large notices around the churches reading: 'YOU ARE BEING FILMED. IMAGES OF YOU AT PRAYER CAN BE GLOBALLY ACCESSED'! Cathedral staff are in not qualified to consider or assess the risks; risks which can well resonate in hands of China or Hong Kong's state police and the fanatics of ISWP or Boko Haram in Africa or wherever.
Ad Clerum raises an issue which demands urgent thought.
Amazed to know that filming 'congregants' during prayer actually happens. Surely someone within your faith-church will know of the worrying growth of unauthorised Chinese police and intelligence units monitoring their nationals in Britain and of course the networks feeding certain 'Arab' agencies and proscribed organisations with their surveillances in the UK. To many, even the dress, the back of the head, the family group size is enough to identity and then target.
Mosques and Synagogues of course have the CCTV cameras, but these, you will find, are externally directed so as to only monitor the potential for attacks ... never inside our places of prayer to 'live-stream' to all-and-sundry.
The threat to many overseas (Christian) worshippers believing themselves safe within churches is very real. Perhaps we are more security-sensitive than the centuries old 'established' church. At the very least, I agree with your commentator that signs be erected to warn innocents that they are being filmed and live-streamed, potentially around the world.
One would think there would be implications for Data Protection and safeguarding issues in broadcasting people without their knowledge or informed consent? Bewildered
To Anonymous: you are correct to a point. But it all depends how a church is defined especially as among the congregants being filmed for wide-open social-media viewing will be children. Parental consents MUST be obtained unless that church or cathedral claims it is a public space ... and that in itself is something which many churches and their insurers are reluctant to accept. Nevertheless if the purpose of filming (especially with children in the pews) for live-streaming to an unknown audience is the objective, then individual consents have to be obtained. It's a murky area as most TV producers know, but generally speaking, the lawyers advice is to act with extreme caution. There is also question over definition of 'public spaces'. If a cathedral proclaims itself a 'public space' then who'd prevent a horde of Goth-like idiots from setting up camp and enjoying a manic picnic with Satanic-theme music in the nave mid way through the Holy Eucharist. Hard one for the local Bobby on a Sunday morning to figure out I would have thought.
I do know at least one church which does have signs as one enters saying that the service will be live streamed, so sit in a certain area if you do not wish to be filmed.
An interim bishop for Bangor was found but someone decided that because she was not a Welsh speaker, she was not suitable. As I understand it Bishop Bev was even interviewed for the post.
And here it is…..’Bishop’ Manon has already upset the established order with her apparent ‘primark’ ministry…how cheap and man made she is, already appearing to be the disappointment so Many have foretold. Shame.
I doubt if any of us can judge unless part of that 'establishment order' or detail regarding what she is alleged or purported to have done/said. Pray share your gossip. I heard comment about her recent Radio interview of her 'journey' to become a Bishop and apparently it was a lead balloon. Total off-put.
“We appear to have entered the age of Primark ministry…. fashionable, inexpensive, readily available and designed for immediate consumption, but with little expectation of durability….confusing the production of messages with the gospels teachings”
Readily available? Don't make me laugh, have you tried getting a home visit and Communion recently? If you're sick, infirm, elderly and housebound you will rarely get to see a clerical collar.
Nia Catrin Williams is to be the new Dean of Bangor. There will be concern among those who supported the ousting of Sue Jones eleven years ago. Nia Catrin will not have forgotten who you are or what you did or didn’t do.
And the new Bishop of Bangor is....
ReplyDeleteBangor: the bishop who was never found
DeleteNow we know what happened to Bangor’s proposed interim bishop.
One wasn’t found.
That explains why an interim bishop never arrived.
It does not explain what happened next.
In November 2025 the Church in Wales had reached an extraordinary conclusion about Bangor. Following its governance crisis, this was not the moment simply to elect another permanent diocesan bishop.
Bangor needed breathing space.
It needed experienced interim leadership.
It needed stability while governance, management and financial structures were repaired.
Archbishop Cherry Vann spoke of the possibility of “radical work”. The arrangement might last one or even two years.
So convinced was the Church of this course that Governing Body approved exceptional constitutional arrangements by 75 votes to four.
And then an interim bishop wasn’t found.
Fair enough.
But here is the problem.
The inability to find the person does not make the reason for needing that person disappear.
If Bangor was not ready for a permanent bishop in November, how did the failure to secure an interim bishop make it ready for one only months later?
A recruitment difficulty does not repair governance.
It does not resolve financial problems.
It does not restore damaged confidence.
And it certainly does not perform the “radical work” which the Archbishop herself had contemplated.
Yet the Church moved remarkably quickly from:
Bangor is not ready for a permanent bishop.
to:
We need an experienced interim bishop for perhaps two years.
to:
An interim bishop cannot be found.
to:
Let us elect a permanent bishop after all.
And the person elected was Manon James, who had herself been installed as Dean of Bangor only months earlier.
That is where the questions should begin.
Who decided that the failure to find an interim bishop justified abandoning the period of recovery for which that bishop had been required?
What assessment concluded that Bangor was now ready?
What had actually changed?
And when did Manon James first emerge as a prospective candidate for the permanent bishopric?
There may be perfectly satisfactory answers.
But “we couldn’t find an interim bishop” is not, by itself, one of them.
It explains why the proposed solution could not be implemented.
It does not explain why the problem the solution was designed to address apparently ceased to matter.
And that is the curious part of the Bangor story.
They couldn’t find the bishop they said Bangor needed.
So they appointed the permanent bishop they had previously said Bangor wasn’t ready for.
Why?
Simples. The plankers do as they please, and the GB are so weak they allow them to get away with it. But then, what retired bishop in their right mind would want to take on Bangor and its multiple problems?
DeleteDobby
" ... and it gives me great pleasure, Iman Abdullah, to hand Sion bin-Rhys Evans over to your safe hands as Sub-Mullah to the ISIS diocese of Afghanistan. May Mohammed be with him ...."
ReplyDeleteI don't know how much you've read of this story, but the Archbishop ended up with egg on her face when https://tinyurl.com/56znkjwzshe discovered that Ashrafi had been a supporter of Osama Bin Laden. See: https://tinyurl.com/56znkjwz (other news sources are available). Someone at Lambeth didn't did their research very well - although of course the gentleman's views might genuinely have changed over the intervening years.
ReplyDeleteHere is the cheque for the reparations as you requested. Spend it on any activity you like
ReplyDeleteSt Chuckle
And the prize for the world's profoundly stupid feminist twunt goes to....... Dame Sarah MaLooney 🏆
ReplyDeleteI actually felt rather sorry for Canterbury here, as it’s no fun being unintentionally set up by your staff, unknowingly fronting the incompetence in front of the world’s press, and then having to rescind an award in the face of a scandal that was already out there for anybody with a single brain cell who was charged with doing due diligence to see. As always with these things, it’ll be what happens next that measures her culpability. She’s done the right thing rescinding the award, but if heads don’t roll at Lambeth, she’s no leader. This is not some little administrative error for brushing under the carpet and moving on.
ReplyDelete@friar D I agree with you wholeheartedly, this feels like the team that is tasked with this due diligence has failed monumentally. Regrettable addition to the publics already poor opinion of clergy and the establishment as a whole. Sad.
DeleteHere is a copy of the New Bishop's Bible. As you can see we have reduced the amount of text by taking out all the bits we don.t agree with.
ReplyDeleteFlattered
I have in my hand a piece of paper that guarantees peace in our time...
ReplyDeleteOswald
Beware of the ninja!
ReplyDeleteThanks to Damian Thompson @holysmoke for this.
ReplyDelete"This monologue by @ColinBrazierTV is magnificent and full of startling information. Did you know how many attacks there are *in this country* on Muslims who convert to Christianity?"
Why We Mock Christianity but Fear Islam.
https://x.com/holysmoke/status/2101006892264743159
I have just sat and listened to this startling narration. I appreciated that as a faith, Christianity was under threat, particularly from certain other faiths and their cohorts, but I was staggered to hear the degree of the threat to which we are now subjected. I am scared at these prospects outlined by Colin.
DeleteAnd i thank you, Damien, for highlighting this important broadcast. It must be shared everywhere.
Brazier is circling around the real question. Why does the Church now appear so utterly lacking in strong leadership?
DeletePerhaps because it has spent years selecting against it.
Look at the modern culture of ordination. An extraordinary amount of effort now goes into facilitating candidates with ever greater levels of additional needs. Special arrangements, individual accommodations, learning support, wellbeing support, pastoral support, adjustments to formation. The institution seems capable of bending itself into almost any shape necessary to keep a weak livered candidate within the system.
Yet put a strong, independent, outspoken character into that same system and watch what happens.
They are “difficult”. They “don’t listen”. They “don’t reflect”. They make people uncomfortable. They challenge the wrong person. They refuse to nod politely at nonsense or conform to the limited understanding of the onanists proportions to be teaching faculty.
And out they go.
That isn’t compassion. It is institutional cowardice.
The result is entirely predictable. If you repeatedly remove the difficult, robust and independently minded while promoting those least likely to challenge the prevailing culture, eventually you don’t have leadership. You have compliance dressed up as leadership which is exactly what the new guard desires. Oh watch the governing body when a controversial topic (like external examination of how mission areas are ACTUALLY doing)! .plays out when the Bishops get flustered….
Then look at St Padarn’s.
This is the institution entrusted with producing the next generation of clergy for an entire province, yet there has been striking movement among its staff and, some remarkable circumstances behind the scenes. One member of staff has only recently returned from Edinburgh and the safety (indulgence of mummy and daddy) following a lengthy absence through anxiety and stress….really….try actually taking notes from John… Another lives in Northern Ireland and commutes to a theological college in Wales and spends as little time there as possible to ensuring he ‘catches his flight home’ not that his English is good enough to really comprehend. Another who is so far along the spectrum it is difficult to know wether to answer or stage an intervention…the spineless yellow livered yanker……There are serious questions about whether some of the people within this supposedly formative institution themselves require extraordinary levels of support (not)!
And this is the machine deciding who is strong enough, stable enough and suitable enough to lead the Church?
Really?
Then there is Bangor. After the cathedral debacle, the safeguarding and governance questions, the Archbishop’s departure and the extraordinary confusion over what was supposed to happen next, we have watched another extraordinary piece of ecclesiastical choreography: Manon James, formerly responsible for ministerial formation at St Padarn’s, becomes Dean of Bangor and then, within months, Bishop of Bangor.
At some point coincidence stops being an adequate substitute for scrutiny.
The Church appears endlessly willing to examine the candidate who doesn’t fit. When will it examine the people doing the selecting?
Because perhaps that is where the problem lies.
Christianity does not need another generation of frightened ecclesiastical managers fluent in the language of wellbeing, process and inclusion. It needs people with some steel in them. People capable of being disliked. People who can withstand pressure rather than requiring the world around them to be softened. People prepared to say that something is wrong even when the person responsible is wearing a purple shirt.
Instead we have created a culture in which weakness can be endlessly facilitated but strength has to be managed.
Then we look at Islam, see conviction, certainty and confidence, and wonder why Christianity appears so bloody anaemic beside it.
Stop wondering.
If you spend years weeding the strong characters out of an institution, this is what you get.
@AB Wouldn't know the answer to your Muslim/Christianity question poser, but per head of population (pro rata) maybe the same numbers as in Northern Ireland in the bad days of the 1970's of young women tarred and feathered, beaten and bruised, (often by their own kin) and occasionally their fathers knee-capped by the IRA's 'Nutting Squad' for permitting such outrage as converting from Catholic to Protestant for various reasons. Of course, this was Christian on Christian before Islamic society stepped foot into the Falls Road or 'Derry. I remember it well. He who throws the first stone ... etc.
ReplyDelete"Losing our homeland"
ReplyDeletehttps://x.com/benonwine/status/2103052763269931109
Outside Nigeria, China is one of the most dangerous places in the world if you are 'Christian'. Under 18's are banned from worship and adults can meet only in their private dwellings and in secrecy; sermons at the very few 'approved' places of worship have to be State Security vetted first and Communist Party education included in the Order of Service. Under China's strict 'Sinicisation' programme digital surveillance of all suspected to be Christian is heavily monitored including in and around 'churches' Penalties to those captured on CCTV are horrendous - including the enforced removal of children from their parents for 're-education'.
ReplyDeleteMuch the same applies under the ruthless stick of Boko Haram,ISWAP and the Fulani Militia in Nigeria. There too, the technology of CCTV and digital surveillance is common-place.
I don't much like having CCTV cameras broadcasting on You-Tube and other live-streaming sites at Bangor cathedral. It's an unnecessary intrusion on the privacy of my praying. But if I were one of the hundreds of Chrisian-Chinese students in Bangor I would steer well away. The Chinese political police in UK and enlarging alarmingly, are watchful of everything. And ditto the UK-based activists of fanatical Islamic groups with their 'cells' centred and funded by some rather dodgy Islamic Centres (known to security and intelligence agencies including Police CTC) also alert to Nigerian students in Britain ... with their intelligence methods now extending into churches and cathedrals and with facial recognition a risk too great for many with families still in Nigeria.
The church (both CofE and C-in-W) wastes millions on what is laughingly known as 'Safeguarding' indeed, it seems there's more 'safeguarding' than there is 'praying'.
So by promoting, producing and installing more and more 'social media' cameras on congregants as they pray - for free-gathering INTEL by agents against Christianity why on earth haven't they considered this risk. 'Old Bill' has far more knowledge of this than I (and we've discussed it). In his opinion its a 'no brainer' and most certainly a massive security overlook in our responsibilities in protecting many thousand of security sensitive congregants into our churches. The Police CTC (Counter Terrorist Command) is aware of it .... we seem to avoid it.
The above is most certainly something which ought to come under 'Safeguarding'. And if could explain the demise in the numbers of Chinese and Afro student 'congregants' at Bangor cathedral and perhaps other University town/city places of worship scanning the pews with video cameras for social networking.
DeleteAt the very least, they ought to place large notices around the churches reading: 'YOU ARE BEING FILMED. IMAGES OF YOU AT PRAYER CAN BE GLOBALLY ACCESSED'! Cathedral staff are in not qualified to consider or assess the risks; risks which can well resonate in hands of China or Hong Kong's state police and the fanatics of ISWP or Boko Haram in Africa or wherever.
Ad Clerum raises an issue which demands urgent thought.
AO
As usual, the answer to the problem is very simple.
DeleteDon't waste your time going to Church or Cathedral.
Simples.
Amazed to know that filming 'congregants' during prayer actually happens. Surely someone within your faith-church will know of the worrying growth of unauthorised Chinese police and intelligence units monitoring their nationals in Britain and of course the networks feeding certain 'Arab' agencies and proscribed organisations with their surveillances in the UK. To many, even the dress, the back of the head, the family group size is enough to identity and then target.
DeleteMosques and Synagogues of course have the CCTV cameras, but these, you will find, are externally directed so as to only monitor the potential for attacks ... never inside our places of prayer to 'live-stream' to all-and-sundry.
The threat to many overseas (Christian) worshippers believing themselves safe within churches is very real. Perhaps we are more security-sensitive than the centuries old 'established' church. At the very least, I agree with your commentator that signs be erected to warn innocents that they are being filmed and live-streamed, potentially around the world.
One would think there would be implications for Data Protection and safeguarding issues in broadcasting people without their knowledge or informed consent?
DeleteBewildered
To Anonymous: you are correct to a point. But it all depends how a church is defined especially as among the congregants being filmed for wide-open social-media viewing will be children. Parental consents MUST be obtained unless that church or cathedral claims it is a public space ... and that in itself is something which many churches and their insurers are reluctant to accept. Nevertheless if the purpose of filming (especially with children in the pews) for live-streaming to an unknown audience is the objective, then individual consents have to be obtained. It's a murky area as most TV producers know, but generally speaking, the lawyers advice is to act with extreme caution. There is also question over definition of 'public spaces'. If a cathedral proclaims itself a 'public space' then who'd prevent a horde of Goth-like idiots from setting up camp and enjoying a manic picnic with Satanic-theme music in the nave mid way through the Holy Eucharist. Hard one for the local Bobby on a Sunday morning to figure out I would have thought.
DeleteI do know at least one church which does have signs as one enters saying that the service will be live streamed, so sit in a certain area if you do not wish to be filmed.
ReplyDeleteRapist Priest exploited charisma.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ck1wv7nlg7rwo
An interim bishop for Bangor was found but someone decided that because she was not a Welsh speaker, she was not suitable. As I understand it Bishop Bev was even interviewed for the post.
ReplyDeleteDeiniol’s pet springer
Former Australian Bishop jailed for child sex offences.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj62ylxqz173o
And here it is…..’Bishop’ Manon has already upset the established order with her apparent ‘primark’ ministry…how cheap and man made she is, already appearing to be the disappointment so
ReplyDeleteMany have foretold. Shame.
I doubt if any of us can judge unless part of that 'establishment order' or detail regarding what she is alleged or purported to have done/said. Pray share your gossip. I heard comment about her recent Radio interview of her 'journey' to become a Bishop and apparently it was a lead balloon. Total off-put.
DeleteThey don't make them like this any more https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixbdlUhELoU
ReplyDeletewhat on earth does primark ministry mean
ReplyDelete“We appear to have entered the age of Primark ministry…. fashionable, inexpensive, readily available and designed for immediate consumption, but with little expectation of durability….confusing the production of messages with the gospels teachings”
DeleteReadily available?
DeleteDon't make me laugh, have you tried getting a home visit and Communion recently?
If you're sick, infirm, elderly and housebound you will rarely get to see a clerical collar.
Nia Catrin Williams is to be the new Dean of Bangor. There will be concern among those who supported the ousting of Sue Jones eleven years ago. Nia Catrin will not have forgotten who you are or what you did or didn’t do.
ReplyDeleteDeiniol’s pet springer
Nia a good and sensible choice. Put s the three archdeacons in their places.
ReplyDelete