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| Stephen Cottrell in 2014 Source: Wikipedia |
Cottrell is a member of the Society of Catholic Priests (SCP), a religious society of Anglican clergy who consider themselves a part of the liberal Anglo-Catholic tradition, a liberal substitute for the Society of the Holy Cross (SSC) so that they can enjoy the best of both worlds.
The make believe society believes that the churches of the Anglican Communion are part of the one holy and catholic and apostolic church despite distancing themselves from it by their unilateral actions.
Cottrell is also a member of Affirming Catholicism (AffCath), a liberal movement formed to suggest that the ordination of women is compatible with Anglo-Catholicism and supports ordination into the threefold ministry (bishops, priests, deacons) regardless of gender or sexual orientation. The archbishop has been president since January 2015.
The ordination of women to the priesthood has brought with it a host of ridiculous disputes over gender and sexual orientation where facts are replaced by assertions. These are likely to grow with the increasing numbers of female clergy.
In the Church in Wales where half the bishops are female, thirty-one of the forty-seven recent Petertide ordinands were women, seventeen deacons and fourteen priests.
The Church Times article, Petertide ordinations 2023, shows how numerous are Anglican women deacons, priests and bishops.
This is where it can lead. The sparkle 'creed':
..flabbergasted - listening to "the Sparkle Creed!" I thought I was watching say an untelevised sketch for Monty Python! (aka "The church of Silly Walks?") You Anglicans are in SERIOUS TROUBLE!
ReplyDeleteWe Anglicans have been in deep deep s💩💩t for decades but beware, the Catholics are slowly catching up with us.
DeleteExodus: No, the Catholics won't catch up - EVER: They have both the Magisterium (and the 'other lung' - the authority of the Eastern Churches) to guide them. Christ promised Peter "The Gates of Hell shall not prevail..": tho' it didn't mean Satan won't try..
DeleteI don't agree MB. . The Catholics in Germany are well on their way and Francis doesn't appear to be doing anything about them, rather he seems to be very pro women.
DeleteThe problem is that (certainly within the Church-in-Wales) there are no rules, no guidelines, no protocols no mentoring or respect for standards or whatever ... as soon as the clerical collar is studded into the shirt (black, blue or rainbow) the ordained him/her/they can do whatever they like and pretend to be of an authority they are not.
ReplyDeleteApparently at Bangor only a Sunday ago, a just out of theological college young lady (described by my chum as looking like a 6th former) was ordained 'Deacon' and now assumed the appointment of Bangor Cathedral minor canon. No sooner had clueless Andrew John conducted that final act of lower-rank ordination - his compulsory vanity PR photo of himself grinning in 'Would I Lie To You' TV host Rob Byron impersonation - than she donned a Catholic beretta and declared that she was to be addressed as 'Mother' !!! Not even the strictest - or more liberal - orders of nuns would allow this. Start at least as 'Novice' = not yet fully fledged like a Deacon might be, then a few years as 'Sister', then once accepted by all 'Mother'. But not a lass straight out of 'Coll ... and certainly not if she is to impress the Anglo-Methodist-Baptist community of Gwynedd. Insist on being called 'Mother' and they'd fall about laughing at the poor girl. But no one of authority has guided her against her self-importance. It seems the whole establishment is just in it for the 'theatre' and as with her cathedral sub-standard-dean, the dressing up box but little else.
Pathetic. My apologies to Rob Brydon who is hilarious. Andrew John is comedy for all the wrong reasons.
Ad Clerum.
The chocolate teapot can't provide us with the definition of a woman so how are you able to say it was a "young lady"?
DeleteDid someone do a Mick "crocodile" Dundee and risk a hand while checking?
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If there were no Ten Commandments, the Book of Proverbs, the rest of the old and new Testaments, the Nicene creed, Apostles creed, the Lord's prayer, the 39 Articles and at least 1,950 years of teaching, doctrine, tradition and faith, then it might be possible to claim there are no rules, protocols, guidelines, teaching, mentoring, respect for standards, godly order and clean living.
DeleteMore good news.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/08/allison-bailey-garden-court-chambers-costs-payout-stonewall/
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Garden Court Chambers (a cabal of woke Barristers) fined £20,000 for failure to provide a proper trial bundle.
Acrimonious proceedings against a gender critical Barrister.
You know things are beginning to get rough if brother barrister is falling out with sister barrister.
On the other hand, it couldn't happen to a nicer crowd.
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Simple answer.
DeleteBoycott Garden Court Chambers and put them all out of business.
Simples.
That sparkle creed is a touch too far even for me.
ReplyDeleteXavier
The Church is on its knees. What is going on with the world!?
ReplyDeleteBewildered
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DeleteImpersonator alert!
NOT me once more AB.
Bewildered the genuine.
If ONLY the Church WERE on it's knees praying for humility not for self gain.
DeleteWell said, Father.
DeleteHere's hoping you'll be the next Bishop of St. Davids.
Unfortunately it's more likely to be the trans abomination presently haunting St. John's in Cardiff.
Having perused the Archbishop's address, it seems a shame that AB (and apparently others) have focussed on his comment about "Father" as it's quite clearly not the main substance of what he was saying. Indeed I think it's an almost "throwaway" comment which he included as he thought, "Ah! If I start talking about the Lord's Prayer some people will get stuck on the use of the term 'Father'. I must acknowledge that as I don't want to get stuck on it, then I can move on". Clearly his strategy didn't quite work!
ReplyDeleteThe Archbishop's emphasis is quite clearly on the word "our" and the sense of commonality which that can bring to all who use it. He is well aware of the many factions and disagreements within the Church of England but he is wanting to bring them together, asking them to "disagree well", and "let this recognition of our belonging to each other also shape, not just the conversations we have, but the way we have them".
Clearly the Abp has used the Lord's Prayer as his starting point because it is so widely known; one could argue that he might have better used our Lord's prayer for unity in John 17. However let's not use his opening comment, possibly ill-considered, to distract us from his primary message: "Let us work hard to avoid this: by listening well; by speaking clearly; and recognising the presence of Christ in each other. "
Slipping in such tosh almost as an aside or afterthought is precisely how it starts to worm its way in.
DeleteBe warned, this was done quite deliberately and with malice aforethought.
York is no more to be trusted than Canterbury or Bangor.
BT the subtitle of the Guardian article was "Archbishop of York tells General Synod that ‘Our Father’ has patriarchal connotations" which provided the reference for my thoughts on the topic, thoughts which you ignore completely. Pot, kettle and black spring to mind.
DeleteThe Guardian can make what it wants of the Address - I haven't read the article. But I have read the Archbishop's actual address, which I think is good and in which the comment about the Father not only takes up a tiny part but is directly followed by these words: "That little word 'our' is a revolution. Not ‘my God.’ Not ‘your God.’ Our God. The God who Jesus shows us is the ‘loving Father God’; the God of giving and self-giving reciprocity. The God who is Trinity".
DeleteIt's (sadly) not about everyone "tolerating eachother in lurvve & diversity" - but recognising that there is now NO central authority in the Anglican church, (which is why Gavin Ashenden etc left.) IF the Archbishop of York (and others) consider themselves members of the "One Holy Catholic Church", then they know full well the position of both Rome & Orthodoxy. The buck then stops here; with no exceptions & "ah-but-ahs."
ReplyDeleteWhat strikes me as utterly bizarre about it being problematic to use the term Father in this context is that mothers can be abusive too. Does this render “Holy Mary, Mother of God” problematic? Must we call the devil the mother and father of lies, because presumably inclusive or gender neutral language cuts both ways? Fr Mark
ReplyDelete..surely you must mean 'Mother Mark', Father? (or do 'They'/both ways apply?!)
DeleteCertainly there are some folk in my church who struggle with Mothering Sunday, especially when it's overburdened with saccharine sentimentality. Which isn't to say that we shouldn't celebrate and encourage good parenting by fathers and mothers!
ReplyDeleteMothering Sunday isn't about good parenting BT.
DeleteIt's about giving thanks for the safe delivery of children and mothers after the ordeal of childbirth, especially from the times when infant and mother mortality rates were so much higher than today.
Well said Enoch.
DeleteThe saccharine sentimentality has arisen over the last thirty or forty years due solely to the secular giftycard, chocolate and flower industries perverting Mothering Sunday to Mother's day.
I totally agree, sadly "Mothering Sunday", even in churches, has been virtually obliterated by "Mothers' Day".
DeleteGood Lord. Do mad frogs or single-cell amoeba have these banal conversations about whether their creator is a Father or a Mother or just a Frog when they cluster together for grown up chats after a day of croaking in the pond or wriggling around on a lab-dish?
ReplyDeleteAnd we, primate-humans, are supposed to be the top of the tree! Time for a sequel to Darwin's tome on the development of 'man' m'thinks.
Old Bill
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/09/trans-pride-defends-activist-who-told-crowd-to-punch-terfs/
ReplyDeleteMet Plod do nothing once again.
Inciting hatred and violence are both crimes but not when a Trans lunatic makes public calls to punch TERFs "in the f****ng face".
And what is a TERF you ask?
Apparently it means Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist or somesuch rubbish, which in practice means any woman (or man presumably, not to be sexist about it) who either doesn't accept the existence of Trans women or refuses to accept the presence of such perverts in female only toilets, changing rooms, maternity wards etc.
In which case the convicted kidnapper will not protest were I to punch it in its effing face.
DeleteBewildered
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DeleteImpersonator alert AGAIN!
This is not a comment from me! Absolutely ridiculous.
Bewildered the genuine.
Found it.
DeleteHere's a recording of the charming creature from the Trans lagoon inciting the hatred and violence towards heterosexual women .
Judge for yourselves.
https://youtu.be/lsw3pdpxf64
Would the woke useless Metropolitan plod have reacted if the targets of the remarks been black, muslim, gay or lesbian?
@Ancient Briton
DeleteUrgent.
Several comments have disappeared from here again, specifically those relating to links about the story of the convicted trans kidnapper that was jailed for thirty years but was screaming about TERFs and punching them "in the f*****g face".
This is becoming a real problem AB because the sense of the contributions to the threads is being completely lost.
I am sorry for the inconvenience but I don't have an explanation or a solution Enoch. I have again submitted the problem to Google, this time quoting your example but I am not holding my breath.
DeletePerhaps some hard evidence might assist?
DeleteScreenshots of "before" and "after" for instance.
Do you keep such records for your own archive AB?
Is there a doctor in the house?
ReplyDeletehttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/09/vagina-named-bonus-hole-cervical-cancer-charity-transgender/
How can a biological male EVER have a cervix or need testing for cervical cancer?
Why are the Charity Commissioners so utterly useless when it's obvious huge sums of money given to various charities are being squandered on this woke trans virtue signalling ordure?
Removing a blokes tackle makes him a eunuch, not a woman.
DeleteYou appear to be a sensible chap. Why not write to the Charity Commission and/or the HMG Government Minister with responsibility .... and ASK ! Any response given would presumably keep these pages whizzing with comments for months. Seriously. Its worth a second class stamp ... and a couple of months waiting for a reply.
ReplyDeleteAd Clerum
Absolutely no point in trying.
DeleteThe Charity Commissioners are another utterly useless quango as they demonstrated so clearly over the complaints made to them about the obviously dodgy Llandaff Cathedral Organ appeal, for which accounts have still to be punished.
Even after bully boy Barry Morgan shot his mouth off at a Friend's meeting, stating it cost the Cathedral £750k.
But don't take my word for it, speak to David Jones, the former Organ appeal Secretary.
Totally agree 1662.
DeleteThe letter sent to fob off the the Charity Commissioners by the then dud in the Deanery Capon, was so blatantly a pack of lies but it went unquestioned and unchallenged.
And that was before the £70k fiddle of the Aga saga came to light.
Man wins "beauty" pageant in Holland and now goes forward to the Miss Universe contest.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/07/10/trans-woman-wins-miss-netherlands-beauty-pageant/
The reintroduction of the swimwear round should sort out the men from the boys.
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Just how much time and money is being wasted on this complete crap?
Deletehttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/10/quote-marks-around-they-them-pronouns-not-discriminatory/
Inverted commas discriminatory?
Who appointed this abomination to the post of the Skipton high school principal?
It needs to be in an asylum!
My favourite new word.
Deletehttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2023/07/10/taylor-swift-better-than-revenge-rewriting-misogyny/
"F***wittage"
I wish I'd been the one who coined it.
Allison hits the nail on the head once more.
Deletehttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2023/07/12/miss-netherlands-transgender-model-rikkie-valeria-kolle/
Miss Netherlands?
More like Miss LaLaLand.
The judges must be blind and as for Rikkue, he's ugly as sin with a gob like a wide-mouthed bullfrog.
Pity the real women didn't have the balls to walk out of the competition and leave the eunuch standing there all alone!
Bewildered (the original that refuses to be silenced)
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Allison gets it right once more.
Deletehttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2023/07/12/stradey-park-hotel-asylum-seekers-immigration/
Just why the hell should we be paying for illegal economic migrants to be put up in a 4* hotel?
Rikkie is a super insecure little boy.
Deletehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-66176790
Realistically, Rikkie is a super insecure little bitch!
Whether or not it's right to house asylum seekers in a hotel, what's beyond doubt if that 50 full-time and 45 part-time staff have been made redundant, so it's hardly going to be 4* any more! One suspects that the owners (based in Essex) were made "an offer they could not refuse" by HM Government. We also know that at least one couple with a booked wedding have had it summarily cancelled. PS I haven't read the Telegraph article as I'm not a subscriber and it's behind a pay wall.
DeleteSo how is the Hotel going to run without its 95 staff, regardless of who the "guests" are?
DeleteGood question. One presumes that the Home Office will hire agency staff.
DeleteThe tax payer will foot the bill though. 😡
DeleteI am a fully signed up member of the liberal Catholic wing and am proudly SCP. But 'I believe in a non- binary ..... ' is definitely pushing it
ReplyDeletehttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/12/archbishop-canterbury-undermined-me-meg-munn-says-she-quits/
ReplyDeleteThe headline says it all.
Go Welby, just go!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/relationships/church-weddings-discount-marriages-registry-office/
ReplyDeleteWedding fees cancelled in attempt to attract more customers.
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The multicultural gift that keeps on giving.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-66196144
Send the invaders back to France and north Africa.
These pigs are not wanted here!
It's not a woman.
ReplyDeleteIt's a bloody eunuch.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/13/woman-arrested-london-trans-pride-tells-punch-terfs-in-face/
And not before time it's being treated as such.
Alleluia!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/07/13/bud-light-oregon-mayor-dean-sawyer-resigns-tranny-fluid/
ReplyDeleteMayor resigns over calling Bud Light tranny fluid.
Why resign?
Call it out for what it is.
Bewildered
@Ancient Briton
ReplyDeleteThe link originally posted about this story is also one of the comments that has magically disappeared.
https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/07/gender-critical-barrister-successfully-sues-own-chambers/
A reply to the original comment is still on the thread, near the top, above.
Thank you Martha. I have managed to find that comment as it is recent and tried publishing again. It has been restored!
ReplyDeleteAs for the general problem which Simple Simon refers to above, overall 19.9K comments have been published, 47 on this thread. On other threads there are over 100 comments. I can not remember every comment even if I had the time to search. Unless Google come up with a solution the problem will have to remain just that.
Apologies AB, I am not being critical of you in any way but I can't understand the reluctance from Google to acknowledge the problem exists and fix it!
DeleteVery poor customer service indeed.
I see that some comments have appeared in a Spam folder after publication. I will mark as appropriate those that are obviously not spam. Fingers crossed,
DeleteQuite a few comments now seem to have been restored AB.
DeletePerhaps the spam folder has something to do with the problem?
DG
Deletehttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2023/07/14/transgender-cycling-news-uci-bans-athletes-female-races/
ReplyDeleteHurrah for more common sense.
Let's see how this comment lasts before magically disappearing.
Here's the reason that drag queens need to be kept well away from children.
Deletehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-66204802
Four counts of rape!
Jordan Peterson talking common sense again.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/14/jordan-peterson-interview-the-radical-left-is-guilt-west/
He needs to be heard far more often.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/many-terms-for-woman-identity-wars/
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile, the Bishops can't even provide us with the definition of a woman!
Wishy washy Rishi flunks it yet again.
Deletehttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/07/14/trans-guidance-urge-schools-help-parents-protect-children/
Pathetic response.
Three well deserved by-election drubbings imminent!
Bewildered
Woke Northern Ireland plod caught on the horns of a dilemma.
Deletehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-66201072
Do we? Don't we?
Plod should stay out of politics.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66200194
ReplyDeleteNever thought I'd say it and I doubt I'll say it again but Putin and the Russian parliament have got this one right.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/15/soul-survivor-explained-matt-redman-mike-pilavachi/
ReplyDeleteHigh profile survivor of Soul Survivor speaks out.
Church of England bishops are on the case.
Dripford and Arts Council Wales pushing ahead with more woke nonsense.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/15/arts-council-wales-strips-pronouns-literature/
All pronouns he/she to be replaced with they/them.
The time to scrap the Welsh Assembly is now long overdue.
Another quango that needs to be defunded.
DeleteThe joke is that they/them aren't even "gender neutral" but plural.
Overpaid bonus holes with nothing better to do, obviously!
Has anything been published about how the feeble minded lunatics plan to rearrange pronouns in the Welsh language or is it only English that is to be mangled?
DeleteHere's the details of the window lickers and tree huggers sitting on the council.
Deletehttps://arts.wales/about-us/our-organisation/council/council-members
Read it and weep.
Brett Murphy announces his departure from the Church of England.
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/iFYYxIXTgpk
The good news is that he's moving to GAFCON.
Bravo Brett, good for you. If only more had the courage of their convictions to do likewise.
May God be with you and your family in your future ministry and don't look back.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/07/16/megan-rapinoe-transgender-women-football-navratilova/
ReplyDeleteVile cretinous creature.
She's never had to play with or against trans female (seriously confused males) or get undressed with them in the same changing room, but the lesbian in blue hair would be happy for your daughters and granddaughters to do so!
Just another virtue-signalling woke sicko.
More proof, if it was needed, that ALL politicians are scum with their snouts 🐽 in the trough 🐽
ReplyDeletehttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/07/16/neil-coyle-labour-mp-sorry-for-alleged-racist-rant/
All the politicians are as bad as each other, regardless of what colour rosette 🏵 they wear.
Agreed.
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