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| Church of England General Synod: Bishop of London's Living in Love and Faith Presentation February 2023 Source:The Church of England |
The General Synod of the Church of England has backed plans put forward by its bishops to bless gay couples.
The motion was brought by the Bishop of London, Dame Sarah Mullally, following six years of work on questions of 'identity, sexuality, relationships and marriage' known by its fully loaded title Living In Love And Faith.
For opponents of the motion it could have been more accurately described as living in sin and faith.
There was no justification of the bishops proposals based on scripture, tradition or reason. Only alleged experiences of victimhood, one of the six ways homosexual activists manipulate public opinion.
If true, there has been a remarkable turnaround, particularly in Synod membership.
The Archbishop of York, Stephen Cottrell, said priests would have the option to bless gay couples, but could choose not to. He told the Synod, "No-one has to offer these services and no one will be disadvantaged if they don't."
This is very reminiscent of the step by step approach that led to the ordination of women. Revisionists do not give up. They bind their time, wearing down the opposition until they reach their goal. When the dust has settled the Church of England will surely follow the example of the Church in Wales and push for same sex marriage in Church.
As for Cottrell's assurances, Synod has only to look to the experience of Anglicans in the Church in Wales where similar assurances amounted to nothing. There has been no outcry about the shoddy treatment of traditionalists or protests of discrimination against those forced to leave.
Women and the Church (WATCH) will continue their war of attrition with their constant allegations of sexism and discrimination until they completely wreck the Church that nurtured them.
So six years of Living in Lust and Filth replaces 2,000 years of scripture, theology and tradition.
ReplyDeletePathetic.
Sarah Mullaly should have stuck to nursing because she's clueless about Christianity!
Who will be the first Church of England priest to have the courage to stick his head above the parapet and tell his Bishop to stick the gay blessings up his jacksey?
ReplyDeleteUp here in Bangor the act and meaning of blessings lost its purpose the day curate-Dean ap Rhys transformed the cathedral to a theatrical Hippodrome. Taking a leaf out of his bishop's habit of blessing chuff-chuff trains, Rhys has apparently - and among other things - blessed an inanimate piano, blessed a keg of beer and I'm told a box of wax candles a couple of weeks ago. If it moves: Bless it! He's having his ancient wooden cathedral doors painted blood-red ... presumably the cans of Dulux gloss have also been blessed. It ridicules the whole meaning of God's Blessings. One wonders if he's considered giving the Last Rites to the bog-rolls in the vestry toilet t'boot.
ReplyDeleteSo let's not get too worked-up about blessing gays; it appears there's absolutely no purpose or sincerity to the act anyway.
Bless you
Old Bill
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/09/church-england-ostracised-backs-blessings-gay-couples/
ReplyDeleteThere is now a widespread lack of confidence in Justin Welby.
Schism inevitable as the Global South prepare to walk away.
Hardly surprising and long overdue.
Welby still hasn't worked out the glaringly obvious.
DeleteThe more he tries to keep everything together, by sitting on the fence, the more likely the schism is to occur.
The Church of England is as the house divided and Welby is trying to serve two masters.
DeleteHe's too thick to see it and work out the ramifications.
He's a tool.
Of the Devil.
There is one great joy in it all.
ReplyDeleteA group of barristers and solicitors warned Synod this week, that the clergy who perform such a service are open to prosecution. Synod ignored the advice. I hope the Evangelical and conservative groups in England have their eyes and ears open waiting for the first service. Then litigation can begin.
You can guarantee, at that point, Sarah Mullaly and the other bishops will quickly back away from the said clergy and let them carry the can. Nothing to do with me, guv.
Seymour
One understands that it is enshrined in an Act of Parliament that no-one in the Church of England can be forced into carrying out gay blessings and gay weddings.
DeleteIt won't be long before Jayne Ozanne finds someone to help her and her "foundation" to put it to the test, no doubt at the expense of the pew sitters to the tune of £millions.
Seymour, I personally hadn't heard of the legal advice you mention - which isn't to dispute it. My understanding - purely as a lay person - is that any Same-sex Marriage performed in the CofE or CinW would simply be void until Synod or Governing Body passed appropriate motions which had then been ratified by Parliament.
DeleteBut I would have thought that there was no specifically legal bar to performing a blessing unless it violates Canon Law, in which case a complaint would have to be taken to a Consistory Court (or whatever the correct legal body is).
Even in religious groupings which are not prohibited by law from carrying out Same-sex Marriages, certain protocols must be observed. Among other things, for instance, a building which is licensed for Male-female weddings has to be re-registered, as does the "Authorised Person" from the congregation whose presence validates the marriage.
A lot of this may change though after the present marriage consultation results in new legislation; I wouldn't be surprised if England and Wales end up following the Scottish pattern whereby it's not the place where you're married, but the person who marries you, that's important.
In order for the weak-willed bishops to get their bill through Synod, they claimed that the Church's doctrine on marriage was not being changed. It is this which will lead to possible court cases. The article is:
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Seymour
Who will have the courage, willpower and money to throw at any such prosecution?
DeleteThe Church of England will throw unlimited resources at any such attempt to stymie their pro-gay agenda.
Interesting because, of course, the priest does not marry the couple, the couple marry each other, they are the ministers of the sacrament. The priest is merely a prompt and there to pronounce the nuptial blessing.
ReplyDeleteAnd there was silly old me thinking that the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony came to the couple from the Holy Ghost with the blessing of God.
DeleteThe priest is a registrar of the state too.
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There comes a time when the bickering about sex obscures the real problem that the church has in explaining its theology to the uneducated masses. The horse has bolted on the sex issue-which doesn't bother most of us- and now we need to move forward. If God exists as a superhuman type being he must be laughing his socks off.
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Codswallop.
DeleteSpeak for yourself Cymro.
DeleteYou certainly don't speak for me.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64596751
ReplyDeleteDon't ever tell me that the Socialists are any better than the Tories.
All snouts in the trough.
What does that famous socialist, in West Wales, DodoJo have to say about it?
With any luck she's concentrating on packing her bags ready to leave at the end of the month when her sick pay reportedly runs out. Not a moment too soon if it happens.
DeleteA priest in the Llandaff diocese recently used her Sunday sermon to announce she had come out as a lesbian. She received many congratulatory tweets. Will the Archbishop of Wales take action?
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Randy Pandy the chocolate teapot actually DO something?
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Are there any straight clergy left in the Llandaff Diocese?
DeleteEven if there are, they will be a tiny minority.
Seymour. I don't think they are the Registrars any longer under the new regime. The couple are given a certificate to inform the registrar that the marriage has taken place in a church. The couple then have to take the certificate to a Register Office within 7 days for the marriage to be registered. Originally the couple had to present the certificate themselves but it was pointed out that, more often than not, the couple went on Honeymoon, usually straight after the wedding 'breskfast' . The rule was then changed so that a representative of the couple could present the certificate to the Registrar. It follows that clerics of The cult in Wales and The C of E are no longer Clerks in Holy Orders. Quite happy to be corrected if I am in error.
ReplyDeleteWhilst there are no state registers anymore, the Cult in Wales insists that marriages must be registered. Anglican clergy are witnesses of the marriage and do have to sign the marriage document. Concern was raised at the time of the change in marriage registration that handing the 'marriage document' to the couple, or their representative, afforded them an opportunity to change the document. I do believe clergy were advised to deliver the document to the Registrars themselves.
DeleteWe shouldn't forget that clergy also have a duty to the state when it comes to burials. The green form, handed to them by the funeral director, requires that the burial is registered in the Burial Registers of the Parish and the form returned to the Registrars within 96 hours.
Whether society, in general, are impressed with clergy being clerks in holy order(s) or not, is something which doesn't bother most people. I am told that in Swansea and Brecon some years ago, when the government wanted to add further complications to the Marriage Act, the clergy there wished unanimously to hand marriage back to the State. I suspect that is true in many dioceses.
That should have been the rabbit Welby pulled out of the hat last week.
Seymour
Seymour
Merthyr Organist is not wholly correct. In some dioceses the cleric is responsible for the Marriage document reaching the registrar. They do not give it to the couple to take to the registry office. The cleric still acts as a registrar until this point as they are responsible for the legal preliminaries to the marriage. Llechryd
DeleteIn Nonconformist churches the "Authorised Person" (not necessarily the Minister) has to be present and (I think) sign the bit of paper for the marriage to be valid. So I guess the Parish Priest is still the equivalent person in Anglican churches.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/12/mps-threatened-gay-marriage-says-archbishop-canterbury/
ReplyDeleteJustin Welby claims he was threatened by MPs over the gay marriage issue.
It should come as a welcome relief that Anglican vicars are 'defrocked' from their statutory positions as Registrars. As with any profession, there are just too many bad apples among them.
ReplyDeleteThink of the Rev Alex Brown (2010) who conducted 383 fake-weddings at his rural parish church in St. Leonard's, Sussex all for his personal $$ greed. Or the C-of-E vicar the Rev Nathan Ntege of St. Jude's Church, Thornton Heath who pocketed more than £700,000 from the 494 fraudulent weddings he officiated over (and signed off on the wedding certificates knowingly making illegal immigration 'legal') also in 2010
Sensing a good side-line to supplement his stipend, there was also - among others - the Rev. Brian Shipsides at All Saints, Forest Gate who pocketed £300,000 from 250+ fake weddings.
Your dear contributor, Zebedee, will be delighted to know that these and other 'Clerks in Holy Orders' were not detected and brought to book by the oversight of their archdeacons (Parish Inspections and scrutiny of parish records), but by his nemesis the Police.
But, as with Dr. Harold Shipman's prolific signing off of 'death certificates' which seemed not to concern his own local Registrars of Births, Marriages and Deaths, one wonders why diocesan inspectors were not alert to these clergy-fraudsters and others of ilk. Perhaps they did, but found it easier to blind-eye it .... something rather typical.
Old Bill
In the reverse, the Vicar of Tilbury -in the early years of this century -reported to the Archdeacon and Bishops in Chelmsford about the staggering increase in wedding enquiries from 'parties' who couldn't speak English/didn't know each other/potential trafficking victims was told to (basically) shut up and take the £££. He then brought in Border Force and the Police, and his wedding list reverted to the usual averages.....he is still there (AFAIK) as his chances of preferment have been somewhat compromised by his actions.
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DeleteMore Plod misconduct over indecency charges made against one of their own.
Closing ranks, exactly like the Church does over their paedophile priests.
But nothing to see here!
Speaking of living in lust and filth, I came across this last night.
ReplyDeleteTotally sickening to see His --Darkness supporting his light fingered little golf caddy.
The ears in the walls report less than twenty "supporters" went from Llandaff to attend the installation of the Capon over in Thaxted.
Honestly surprised to hear it was that many but perhaps they attended just to make certain Llandaff was finally rid of the fool?
Good riddance.
https://twitter.com/Guli_FD/status/1620692670141329413/photo/1
Let me guess, the slimy amphibian Mr Toad, Dick the Server, the gay cabal and the fag hag caterers?
DeleteProbably those who benefitted from the Capon's illicit £5.6k entertainment budget at his pink gin soirées in the Deanery.
One feels, with a small degree of confidence, that the subversive little old ladies and widows would not have taken either the time or the trouble and expense of a day trip to Thaxted and neither would any former members of the Merbecke choir.
DeleteNeither could the vast majority of the pew sitters, despite Mr Toad's best efforts to drum up a crowd. It appears that not very many of the 32 signatories to Nick Mason's infamous protest letter made the effort either.
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Following reports of Darth --Insidious having been banned from Llandaff Cathedral by Caiaphas, it will be fascinating to see if typhoid Mary continues with his exclusion.
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ReplyDeleteThe details of how Sam Margrave is being mistreated and misrepresented by his false accusers in the Church of England.
Bewildered
Even by their dismal standards, the cretins in Cardiff Bay have surpassed themselves this time.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-64640215
All road building in Wales stopped.
Devolution is an utter disaster.
I could be wrong in this - and would thus welcome correction - but in matter of C-in-W priests also holding de-facto or ex-officio 'Registrar' statutory status to at least legalise marriages, was it not also the case that those 'alumni' of the old St. David's Lampeter and perhaps other colleges of theology would also leave with the equivalent of 'teaching certificates'? This to enable them to enter schools to teach a range of curriculum subjects while of course to also serve their parishes as priests?
ReplyDeleteThis probably in the 1950's and 60's when the Church-in-Wales supported VC schools and engaged Diocesan Directors of Education. Today, the C-in-W doesn't even have Sunday Schools. There was no call for Post-grad top-up qualifications of Dip.Ed or similar. BA + Lampeter was sufficient.
While my understanding of yore might be faulted, I'm glad this probably isn't the case today. I have school-aged granchildren: God forbid that they might be taught by some of today's odd-ball rainbow cross-dressing C-in-W ordained priests.
Ad Clerum
If so, that's the first I've heard of it.
DeleteOh how envious (-)+Bishop Mary Stallad must be of the scant 20 sychophants who boarded a charabange to travel to Thaxted for Capon's latest adventure into disaster management.
ReplyDeleteUp in Bangor (apart from enforced prayers for her), there has been no mention of an organised trip, nor a whip-round nor Queen tarts and 'Fairy' cake send-off. There was rumour that perhaps someone might have hired a two-seater Bombay 'rickshaw' for the archdeanery journey down to Cardiff but even that was cancelled as they couldn't find even two from the entire diocese to celebrate her elevation. At least from Bangor ++++Andrew might be there to welcome her in. Assuming of course that He's not too busy planning his own 'retreat' before His bumbling weaknesses are truly exposed.
Welby talking through his ar*e once more.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2023/17-february/news/world/acc-the-powerful-should-not-impose-values-or-culture-on-others-says-archbishop-of-canterbury
"Sin must be condemned" declares the bishop who refuses to speak out and say homosexuality is sinful.
God does not bless sin but hypocrite Welby is willing to let the farcical CofE do so.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-64711815
ReplyDeleteWell done Justin you dopey s*d.
The very result you've been telling us all you want to avoid.
Now the least among equals!