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| Bishop of Llandaff with Archbishop Moses Deng at Lambeth 2022 Source: Church in Wales |
So I ask again, where is the love and support for those sisters and brothers who have been left with no sacramental or pastoral provision? Where is the love and support for those who follow God's word as received through the Bible and tradition? Instead they are punished for their faith.
Recently an Anglican lifeboat for faithful Christians has been launched in Australia. The Anglican Church in North America is now 10 years old and very successful as this interview with Archbishop Foley Beach indicates.
Alternative provision has existed in England since the Church of England voted to accept the ordination of women.
In Wales there has been nothing after provision was withdrawn by archbishop Barry Morgan at the first opportunity.
Love and support in Wales is clearly conditional on affirming bishops who share an unnatural obsession with redefining marriage.
Different opinions about where Jesus could be found?🤔
ReplyDeleteIt's called the New Testament!
Yehoshua must be weeping with frustration.
It's as though his life and death was all for nothing.
Bewildered
I agree with you because when a church promotes the LGBT agenda and then wants to actually marry gay people then it has made sin acceptable, it will have circumvented the need for Christ and when that happens it will no longer be the church of Christ.
DeleteGod does not bless sin.
DeleteIt's so simple even Caiaphas should be able to grasp it,but obviously she doesn't.
ME, the Church in Wales ceased to be the Church of Christ the day it decided to "bless" same-sex marriage. To allow that, the GB threw out the teaching of the Lord on marriage, and in so doing, threw him out with it. As one contributor said: "Jesus' opinion is one among many." The plankers did nothing to defend the Lord nor his teaching - instead, the contributor was applauded. The Planker of St Asaph even lied when he claimed that orthodoxy was only to do with the Ecumenical Councils of the Church. According to him, since the Ecumenical Councils did not debate marriage, marriage and its definition were not matters of orthodoxy.
DeleteIt seems to have escaped him that the Ecumenical Council of Chalcedon in 451AD condemned the Monophysite Heresy, which refused to acknowledge that the Incarnate Jesus was both human and divine. If then, Jesus is both human and divine, which he is, his teaching isn't one opinion among many; it is the teaching that Church has to proclaim - however offensive it is to the world.
The mitre-wearing hirelings and apostates should resign. They made oaths at their consecrations which they have failed to keep. Through their heresy, which Juno and Cherry wrap up in pretty bows and ribbons, they are leading the very souls Christ died for into hell.
In Jeremiah's day, the false prophets cried, "Peace, Peace, Peace!" What Jeremiah realized was it was of no use - there was no peace. The nation was soon carried off into exile. We have been through a pandemic, and now we are going through an economic crisis - the Lord Jesus Christ is bringing the Cult in Wales to its knees and to its death. The Lord looked for faithfulness and he found none.
Seymour
Well said Seymour.
DeleteBut who will hurl out the heretics from their Cathedrals?
If only you Christians had the courage to reintroduce the ducking stool and burning at the stake. Then the fun would start.
DeleteI have to admit that I am beginning to sympathise with your point of view Dai.
DeleteHow else can we get rid of the apostates and false prophets?
Be careful what you wish for Dai, you druids could be the first on the ducking stool or tied to a stake and burnt! We, Christians, are not fussy who we drown or burn! The thing you must always remember is that we do it out of love and for the good of your soul.
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Naturally, and that will no doubt be the basis you will receive forgiveness from your imaginary invisible friend 😂
DeleteDai, lets get two things straight here.
DeleteFirst, Jesus was not invisible. When a heresy to that effect arose at the end of the first century, St John, who had been a disciple of Jesus wrote: He who has been from the very beginning - that One whom we have seen, we heard, we looked on with our eyes and our hands touched - he is the word of life. Jesus was not invisible. The difference between Christianity ad other religions is that we do not have a man who at the end of his life became a god. We have a God who in Jesus became a man.
Second, Jesus was not imaginary either. The Gospels record the numerous encounters people had with this person. When a Jewish zealot, named Saul, thought to destroy the Christian Church in its infancy, he encountered this 'imaginary' person (as you suggest) and found his world turned upside down. Many people down the centuries have encountered him, myself included, and in so doing, discover the living Lord.
I know someone who did not go to church, had no time for organized religion, was the biggest blaggard you could ever wish to meet. Yet one day, while minding his own business, my 'imaginary' person stepped into his life and changed it completely. So, don't be surprised if one day, when you are least expecting it, my imaginary invisible friend doesn't pop into your life. He's quite fond of doing that.
The good news for you is that it will save you from being burned or drowned should the ducking stool or burning at the stake being re-introduced! I quite fancy the job of Inquisitor General for Wales.
Seymour
First, I wasn't referring to "Jesus" but God.
DeleteSecond, the man you refer to as Jesus didn't exist, his name was (and if you believe in him, still is) Joshua, Yeshua or Yehoshua.
The name Jesus is a corruption of his name just as "gay marriage" is a corruption of all the Jewish and Christian faiths' definition of marriage being between one man and one woman.
If as you claim, God exists, he's got far bigger fish to fry than me, including his Archbishops of Canterbury and Wales among others.
Finally, the reason your churches are empty is that the peasants have worked out they don't need to buy indulgences or pay tithes to a corrupt business that has only existed for the most part to glorify itself and provide livings for the likes of the idiots on the plank in Wales.
@Seymour.
DeleteIf you want to "get two things straight", why don't you start with Cherry and her "husband"?
Those two lost sheep are far bigger challenges than Dai and are significantly more dangerous to people's eternal souls.
Dai, I am really impressed that you know enough Hebrew names to know that Jesus is the Hellenistic version of the name Yeshu'a. Whether he is referred to as Yeshu'a or Jesus, he most certainly existed. More than that, he was God incarnate.
DeleteI can see by your comment "if, as you claim, God exists", I have already moved you from God does not exist to the possibility that he might. Be careful now, Dai, Yeshu'a might be beginning his work of salvation in your life. He is a tricksy one, you know.
As for your other comments, you and I are on similar ground.
Turning to 2020 Division, I am sorry but my old converter isn't what it used to be!!
Seymour
You haven't moved me one bit but I understand your need to try. How else is the imminent collapse of the Cult in Wales to be prevented?
DeleteYour efforts are wasted on me but there's always the proverbial fool born every minute,so good luck.
Oh Dai, methinks you do protest too much. The Lord Jesus Christ would never think time spent on winning your soul is wasted. It is why he endured the cross.
DeleteI have a funny feeling though, that you might be one of those people who are first through the doors of your local congregation on Sunday morning. If you are avoiding the Cult in Wales, I commend you for that. It shows that you have regard for your soul.
Seymour
You think do you?
DeleteWhat a novel idea!
It was your time spent that was wasted, no-one else's.
Congregations of gullible and deluded hypocrites are avoided at all costs.
I prefer shady groves of oak trees with my sickle.
Be careful, now Dai, you might find Jesus lurking in one of those groves. It was something like that that happened to two disciples on their way to Emmaus! My mate thought he was safe sitting by a reservoir fishing, and that is when the good Lord made his move.
DeleteSeymour
😂 😂 😂
DeleteDesperate stuff Seymour.
You really aren't an evangelist and you weren't kidding about your "old converter" were you?
You're so ineffective you should be on the plank with your plonkers.
Now, now Dai, there is no need for language like that. Not even a Druid should wish another person to be on the same plank as the plankers. The reason I put my old converter away is because I came to realize that true conversion comes via the Holy Spirit. You will be in your oak grove lopping a few branches one day, and a sudden gust of wind will change everything. Mark my words.
DeleteAlternatively, there is always the ducking stool or the stake.
Seymour
One shudders to think but what was the budget for the Lambeth 2022 farce?
ReplyDeleteWho foots the bill?
DeleteAre accounts published?
The headline should read "Church in Wales bishops undermine and subvert Biblical teaching, the Ten Commandments and the Anglican Communion".
ReplyDeleteThey should all be defrocked then excommunicated.
Has anyone else noticed that even the usual phrase of "brothers and sisters" has been transposed to put the women first?
ReplyDeleteHave they really got nothing better to do than to stoop so low as to rewrite something so familiar?
How petty and pathetic.
I have always assumed that phrase was the way it was due to alphabetical order or just that it trips off the tongue more easily.
Delete"Brothers and sisters" feels natural and comfortable.
"Sisters and brothers" feels awkward and contrived.
When will Caiaphas and her ilk be changing "Ladies and Gentlemen" to "Gentlemen and Ladies"? In the age of equality we must treat everyone fairly and what's sauce for the Gander must be sauce for the Goose.
We are all expected to comply with Groupthink and Newspeak.
DeleteFailure to do so results in being labelled as subversive and ostracised.
Ruth says that "Brothers and sisters" feels natural while "Sisters and brothers" feels awkward and contrived. I don't see that - surely it's merely that the first phrase is more familiar than the other?
ReplyDeleteRegardless, it's still completely unnecessary tinkering for the sake of their pathetic agenda.
DeleteWith everything going on in the world, not to mention the dysfunctional Cult in Wales and Llandaff Diocese in particular, has Caiaphas really got nothing better to be doing with her time?
On a much happier note at least the end of her havoc is now in sight.
Not sure “brothers and sisters” or “ladies and gentlemen” is a good cover all. “Folks” works well I find - doesn’t intentionally offend anyone and it’s such a simple adjustment to make. Not really worth getting so worked up over really. Language changes organically - best to simply embrace it to avoid being a linguistic Luddite.
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What about those who don't self identify as folk or folks?
DeleteDo I detect a note of irony here? Surely "folks" as a form of address went out with folk masses and parish folk groups sometime in the late 1970s.
DeleteIt's a difficult one, isn't it? Language has historically used male-coded words when referring to groups of people, including people who aren’t male. Most cultures, and especially those influenced by patriarchal religions, have prioritised male voices and default to the desires of men. We are now learning how to resist that these days which involves using intentionally more inclusive terminology.
DeleteThe church has tended to express its theological self-understanding in a language wrapped up in strong gender associations which has resulted rigidly defined gender stereotypes that are now quite at odds with those of emancipated society.
I like how Bishop Richard Chartres tackled the issue when addressing groups of people: he would often use the term 'Beloved'. Perhaps if we saw one another as 'dearly beloved' that might help us all feel included.
DD
Thank you DD, that does seem to offer a way forward. It possibly does sound a bit "precious" but it has Biblical precedent - eg Romans 1:7, James 1:16 etc (obviously the English word used depends on the Bible version you're reading).
DeleteYes whenever I heard +Richard use it in public worship or in talks to the Diocese, it did sound a little precious. That said, there was also something endearing about it. We are beloved.
DeleteDD
You must really struggle with God the Father, God the son and God the Holy Ghost.
DeleteSo did Isaiah: "As a mother comforts her child, so I will comfort you" (66:13).
DeleteNo struggle at all Subversive, the trick is not to exclusively use male centred language. We have much to learn from Islam’s 99 names of Allan. Baptist is right - God has many names and rightly so: “I am” and so be it.
DeleteDD
Allan is amused to hear he has 98 other names, but he likes Allan just fine and he says the rest are entirely surplus to requirements.
DeleteYou are definitely TP but perhaps TP and DD are just two of your 99 names.
God doesn't need any names.
"I am who I am".
God has many names in the Old and New Testaments dysleczicky but you've hit on the essence of who God is with 'I am who I am', as indeed aforementioned in my comment above. Moreover, you are Beloved, very dearly beloved.
DeleteDD
I have tried responding to your bullshit twice but no luck so far.
DeleteKeep your "dearly beloved to yourself. You have nothing of any worth or interest to me to offer.
DeleteI prefer to heed Psalm 101,3
I appreciate that we normally speak of God in male terms. But do we really think that He - as a spirit being - is gendered in the same way as we humans? Surely this is a limitation of our languaage, more than anything else: we don't have personal non-gendered pronouns so have to choose between "he" and "she". In the patriarchal society of ancient Israel, the male one is always going to win.
DeleteI have no problem in saying that Jesus in human form was male, as that is self-evidently true. Many Christians seem to use "she" when speaking of the Holy Spirit, to emphasise God's "feminine" side - personally I struggle with that because, once again, the Spirit is not a person in the human sense. Equally there are Christians who refer to the Trinity as "Creator, Redeemer, Spirit" (or similar) but this doesn't work for me as all three Persons, one God, were/are involved in the work of creation and redemption.
😂
DeleteCan't your invisible imaginary friend provide you with the answers itself?
Doesn't it listen or reply?
🤦♂️
In all my years I have never heard of the Holy Ghost being described as "she"!
DeleteNot once BT.
Mother Earth, yes.
Motherland or Fatherland depending on language.
But the Holy Trinity have always been male.
Sounds to me as though you've been reading far too much of Dan Brown's the Da Vinci code.
FYI it's fiction.
I have certainly come across such nomenclature in United Reformed, Methodist, Lutheran and (I think) Church of Scotland contexts; rarely in Baptist ones as it happens.
DeleteWhy would Archbishop Moses be willing to pose for a photo with such a repugnant heretic and bully like Caiaphas?
ReplyDeleteDid he think she was an autograph hunting waitress?
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ReplyDeleteTime to be set free. A very good post on this link. There is no hell folks, guys, ladies and gents, boys and girls or other. Schizophrenics see demons in their delusions, sadly, and so medieval folks thought they were real. Read more books other than the bible and rid yourselves of the nonsense that the so called church has led you to believe in your heads. The creator, and Jesus, that's all you need. Oh and love of course. And stop thinking the OT is literal or God breathed. Only men could write that stuff, God obvs had no part in it. Even if he had tried, he wouldn't have had a look in. We have made the Christian God in our own image. The creator is so much more than the Church ever imagines. Please use your brains and stop relying on a flawed institution to teach you anything. No one wants to come to church because it is bigoted, controlling, out of date, unloving. It is nothing to do with how we have stopped being true to the scriptures. We have never been true to any scripture that matters. Most of society under 60 sees the truth in the Church and will not come near.EVER.
Bangor Throne
There most certainly is Hell.
DeleteFor orthodox anglican traditional Christians it's known as the Church in Wales and the ninth ring is centred on Llandaff Cathedral.
Mat I suggest that the Anti Gay contributors to this blog take a moment to read an article in the latest edition of The Tablet " Natural Law is not immutable"
ReplyDeleteCould it be that Rome is heretic too?
Cymro
No-one is anti gay people, they have been accepted by the Church without question before. What is objected to is the whole LGBT charade which sees men snogging men and women snogging women in public and in the media particularly, confuses and sexualises children contributing the major element in their growing mental health issues, and seeks to undermine the fundamental beliefs of the Church through promotion of same sex blessings and marriage.
DeleteTherefore LGBT must be fought, but what do we get from our clergy?
Silence.
LW
Read the Tablet article anyway.
DeleteCymro
@LW
DeleteIn the current climate, the answer to your question is could easily be Monkeypox, particularly this weekend.
I suggest that "Cymro" learn to differentiate between natural law and God's law.
DeleteWhat a relief (DD) to know that God describes Himself as 'I am who I am'. I had fears that the Beloved old chap - as LGBTQ+et al might wish impose on us - couldhave been Non-Binary in which case He'd be "We are who we are". Where on earth is this discussion going? So long as no oddball calls me 'beloved' when they hardly know me, does anyone care how we're addressed. Beloved is about as hypocritical as Boris Johnson address Jeremy Corbyn in the House of Commons as "My Honourable Friend" or some turnip address ++John as 'Your Grace'.
ReplyDeleteOld Bill.
I was merely sharing how Bishop Richard addressed people when I was in the Diocese of London. He regularly used “beloved” and of course did so as a heterosexual married man - so no LGBT agenda Old Bill. Remarkable Bishop o must say.
ReplyDeleteDD
A married heterosexual virtue-signalling snowflake is still just a virtue-signalling snowflake.
Delete+Richard is no snowflake - you obviously have never met him !!! It was a pleasure to work with him.
DeleteDD
A snippet from today's published notes for tomorrow's services at Llandaff Cathedral. They are seeking volunteers for servers. Before the pandemic there were fourteen. They are now down to FOUR. Reasons given for this loss; Covid, moving away and
ReplyDeleteUNDERSTANDABLY, GIVING UP. My caps.
I'm sure I saw requests for volunteers as Servers months ago.
DeleteSeems like nobody wants to be involved with Juno's LGBTQIA alphabet soup Cathedral.
Can't imagine why, can you?
Bewildered
Llandaff Cathedral today
Deletehttps://llandaff.churchinwales.org.uk/en/news-and-blog/called-to-stand-with-the-lgbt-community/
So proud of their "Pride".
DeleteA deadly sin times two.
Sickening.
Yes, DD, its perfectly acceptable for a Bishop or priest to address his/her flock as 'Dearly Beloved ...' in that it is seen as Third Party parody of God's greeting. But let's not make it universal. Could you imagine the guffaws of laughter on any military parade ground if the Snr. RSM were to step forward and bark to his assembled ranks : "Beloved gentlemen ... !" Come off it dear lady. +Richard might be a nice man, but the world isn't a scent of sweet-peas and wooffy felicitudes. Its one of the reasons the Church fails to draw new life to its midst. It has failed to realise that the days of blue-rinse brigade 'reverence' are long gone. One of my oold vicars once addressed me as "You old pickled gherkin ... " a form of endearment I respected. Had he called me "My dear beloved brother" I'd have boxed him among all the other mothballed clerics of a by-gone era.
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Dear brothers and sisters, if you have a grove of oak trees in your area, could you go and check it. Dai the Druid might be lying there slain in the Spirit. If he was playing with his sickle at the time, he could be injured.
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