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| A voice from below! Archdeacon Peggy Jackson (right) retires Source: Church in Wales/Twitter |
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Do the people in Llandaff know or understand anything about the Church in Wales? Or are they simply perpetuating the bench of bishops' strategy of marginalising any faithful Anglicans who do not fit the new, secularised profile of the Church in Wales. If Archdeacon Jackson had had her way, the Church in Wales would have barred from ordination anyone who objected, on grounds of conscience, to women clergy thus making a mockery of the promises made to allow the ordination of women.
At Governing Body in 2019 the mean spirited Archdeacon of Llandaff introduced a private members motion asking Church in Wales bishops to refuse to ordain anyone who objected to women clergy, reneging on the twin integrity formula which allowed Jackson to enjoy the privileges conferred on her by archbishop Barry Morgan as his chief hatchet woman.
Jackson was supported in her endeavour by the now disgraced bishop of St Davids, Joanna Penberthy, and the current senior Church in Wales bishop, Andy John, bishop of Bangor, whose private life attracted much speculation before his divorce and re-marriage.
The two other bishops present, John Davies (Swansea & Brecon) and June Osborne (Landaff), signalled their lack of opposition to the measure by abstaining.
What amazing folks!
Responding to the debate the Archdeacon of Llandaff said that those who entered the priesthood were clear that the Church was not “in two minds” about women’s ministry. Those who found themselves “at odds” with a particular aspect of what the Church believed must “protect and operate their own arrangements and conscience how best they may.”
Her aim as a former member of GRAS was clear despite her disingenuous claim after losing the vote that it was not her intent to drive conservatives or Anglo-Catholics out of the Church.
Others saw it differently: "Having won the battle she was intent on shooting the prisoners."
Archdeacon Jackson along with her co-conspirator, Canon Jenny Wigley, had already been successful in amending the Bill proposed by the bench of bishops to enable women to be consecrated as bishops. Their amendment substituted a meaningless, voluntary code of practice for the statutory provisions contained in the bishops' bill.
Illustrating the bench of bishops complicity, the Church of England Newspaper reported at the time: "The Bishops had backed a two-stage process with a first vote to establish the principle and a second bill to amend the constitution to make provision for traditionalists. When an amendment allowing women bishops to be appointed one year after a single bill was proposed by Archdeacon Peggy Jackson the bishops made it clear that they would not regard a vote in favour of the amendment as ‘disloyal’."
The archdeacon's private members motion was to be the coup de grâce but even some of her most loyal supporters could not stomach her mean, vindictive attitude to their fellow Anglicans.
In the debate she complained it was 'hurtful' for her when she experienced 'denial or worse' from those who could not accept her calling. But for her, the only acceptable Anglicans are those whose vision of Anglicanism matches hers in a Church which, at 0.03% of the Anglican Communion and falling is way out of step with the vast majority of its 85 million Anglicans. Such is the conceit of these entrists.
The many faithful Anglicans who have been effectively un-churched by archdeacon Jackson's brutal implementation of the policies of 'His Darkness' are entitled to ask: Thank you for what?
Postscript [12.07.2021]
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From the Choral Evensong to mark the retirement of the Venerable Peggy Jackson.
Best news this year.
ReplyDeleteGood riddance.
Hear hear,it couldn't come soon enough and thanks for nothing.
DeleteThe wretch that ruined Llandaff Cathedral Choir.
A classic CinW failure, riding in on the back of LGBT and its appendages of women clergy and Bishops, woke and impending gay marriage. Job done.
ReplyDeleteLW
How does one retire from doing bugger all?
ReplyDeleteJackson has shown an extreme zeal for feminism, intolerance towards traditional catholicism, and a bewildering passion for circle ('liturgical') dancing; and all the while the parishioners of her former parishes, taking little interest in Governing Body matters, are ignorant of the other side of her.
ReplyDeleteShe is yet another example of the failure of women's ' ministry'.
Rob
I admire her and have enjoyed her ministry over the years. She's an inspirational priest and has done well to survive the kind of prejudice we find on this awful blog. Thankfully it's not representative of where decent people are in the Diocese. Have a good retirement Peggy and don't ever read this blog ever again.
ReplyDeletePeggy-for-Bishop
By Peggy.
DeleteRob
Well I suppose there's always one but I feel certain the vast silent majority will be delighted to see the back of Peggy the Pilate.
DeleteCommenting on hee duplicity, lies, incompetence, insensitivity and just being thick is not prejudice but merely speaking as one has found from experience.
DeletePP. If J goes the second J only 23 months left in office. If S&W stays male (most likely) and StD returns a Male, were would be the problem? Monmouth appears to be happy with the incumbent and the top team much more stable . It's a wonder there isn't a CiW bookies, the betting odds could give the church some income for those non-clerical appointments.
ReplyDeleteTo anyone who is unsure of the rightness or wrongness of female ordination, I invite them to view the video of Jackson's final service in Llanddaff Cathedral (call it up on line). Just look at Peggy, Jenny and June! Do you want more of this? Childish, flippant sermons with juvenile triumphalist fist-in-the-air gestures at their feminist success so far. How to set the sexes apart! Just see how Peggotty does it. How immature, how unprofessional and unclerical. And also how cringeworthy. She may have enjoyed the farewell service and her time in Wales but did we? Having seen female 'ministry' in action, I would run fifty miles to escape it. Who could have guessed it could have been that bad?
ReplyDeleteRob
Lots of men predicted it would be that bad Rob, but were labelled male chauvinist pigs.
DeleteThe women who predicted it would be that bad were labelled traitors to the feminist cause.
Here's hoping Peggy the Pilate flies back to wherever she came from.
SOON!
DeleteDom
PP. I do see Rob what you say the service was rather risky and not professional.
ReplyDeleteBut, this is not the sum total of women in ministry. Their are some who are professional, dignified and in keeping with there office. But, I speak not from just an Anglican perspective. Other denominations have had female ministry for many decades, for example the Methodists, URC, Congregational, Presbyterian and Salvation Army, non of which seem to have the temerity like the afore mentioned persons, to "mimic" or upstage male colleagues, with caustic putdown, division and power trips. Begging the question are they just a small minority? It seem from the Anglican Church that in some dioceses the core perspective is all about "proving" "powering" the feminine ego, or in this case in the negative something beyond the role that emasculates anything against or questioning the validity of female ministry and if the argument is not won, or not accepted, the toys come out of the pram, like nuclear missiles. Leading to: vile decision making that a male counterpart would not entertain or cause
A game of one-upmanship appears a trite concept, one that hurts, divides and conquers. That has endured in this instance to become the rot, turbulence and inertia, we face now.
However, we have to agree that their are women who are excellent examples of good ministry, but, these don't seem to rise to the top, that often is because the toxic ones fight their own sex just as destructively. The worm in the apple is not women per se, but, the power driven toxic leader (M&F), who appoint, coerce and demand their own empire.
Women in ministry can be a force for good in the wider Church, but the examples shown herein, in this blog lately has revealed a serious need for a laity that is a strong player in provincial clergy discipline and part of a greater attention to detail in the selection process. If the current is going to be the normal in an uncertain future, the Church risks greater schism. Like a "buy now pay later" line of credit, the payment is now due and the coffers are empty.
"Women in ministry can be a force for good...". Indeed so, and they're often better at it than men, but don't follow the theologically illiterate thought processes of the GB, C of E General Synod and their American equivalent by equating all ministry with priesthood. Ministerial priesthood (i.e. eucharistic presidency) is one sort of ministry, and indeed all ministry is a facet of the "royal priesthood" in which all baptized Christians have a share - but in this narrow, specialised sense the Catholic consensus doesn't (yet) recognise the possibility of women being able to play a part. Yes, the Methodists and other non-episcopal churches have women ministers, but unlike the Anglican church they don't believe them to be priests in the Catholic sense, and it's not unusual for non-ordained people to preside at their communion services. If I were still an Anglican I would have increasing difficulty participating in the sacraments: how can you be certain that an ordained woman has the power to call down the Holy Spirit on bread and wine so that they become the Body and Blood of Christ, or that anyone - male or female - ordained by a woman bishop has in fact received the grace of Holy Orders?
DeleteMost Nonconformists would say that the Holy Spirit is present at the Eucharist simply because God's people have gathered; and that its "validity" is conferred by reverent consumption of bread and wine rather than by any words said by the person presiding, whoever that may be. We find it hard to believe that the "something" doesn't happen if the "wrong sort" of person is presiding. That isn't to say that the celebration shouldn't be "decent and orderly", of course!
DeleteWhich is why you're a Baptist and I'm not! I have great respect for traditional Nonconformity, but nothing is gained by failing to recognise the differences between episcopal and non-episcopal ecclesiologies. As a young priest in the 1980s I briefly became involved in Covenanting, but quite quickly came to realise that joint eucharists were an exercise in attempting to paper over yawning cracks than expressions of genuine unity, however much sentimental chumminess they engendered.
DeleteMatthew: of course I hear what you say, although my experience of shared Eucharists is perhaps a bit more positive then yours. What I would suggest, though is that having a "properly ordained" Minister/Priest matters to fewer Anglicans than of yore, especially those in the Charismatic or Evangelical wings of the churches. Now I know that some folk here would immediately respond by saying, "Well, they may go to St. Agatha's-by-the-Prison but they're not 'real' Anglicans" and those folk may have a point. But, it seems to me, the characters of denominational allegiance and tradition are inexorably changing; those who contest that change are, I suspect, fighting a rearguard action - not just against The Powers That Be but actually against many of the people in the pews. (Of course, I don't expect folk here to agree!)
DeleteWhich is why I left the sinking ship nearly two decades ago.
Delete@ PP:
DeleteI've read the contributions to this thread with interest, but haven't hitherto contributed because, having departed Anglicanism well over a quarter of a century ago and the Welsh Anglican scene a decade earlier still, I feel that it's no longer my place to make public judgements on Welsh Anglicanism's contemporary travails.
But two things do strike me: first, that some of us at least had no doctrinal difficulties around women's leadership within the Church. How could we? Especially as Celtic Christians - given that under the distinctive tribal Celtic style of monasticism which evolved in these islands in the early mediaeval period, the Abbess St Hilda at Whitby presided over a mixed community of monks and nuns, which included bishops who were subject to their superior as monks, but who as bishops had jurisdiction over their dioceses. No doubt that sometimes led to tensions, but as that system lasted until British monasticism became gradually 'Latinized' on continental models, the difficulties were presumably not felt to be insuperable.
With the recent evolution of ministry areas, it's perhaps more easy than it once was to envisage a gifted and charismatic woman ministry area leader who isn't necessarily in priests' orders. That wouldn't involve any breach of universal catholic church order, any more than did St Hilda having a measure of authority over the bishops who were monks in her religious house.
And, secondly: women's ordination seems to me to have resulted in a very considerable dilution of the distinctive Welshness of the hierarchy in the Church in Wales. When I first came to Wales way back in 1964, almost all the senior Welsh clergy were authentic Welshmen born and bred. The prime exception was Archbishop Morris, who revealed his Worcestershire roots every time he opened his mouth - as demonstrated each time in his ordinations that he intoned 'Come, Holy Ghost, our souls INSPOYERRE'.
But he qualified as an honorary Welshman because of his previous long years on the staff of that quintessentially Welsh Anglican institution St David's College Lampeter. He was by the time of his consecration very much a Welshman by adoption.
But since women's ordination became the rule in Wales, it seems to me that very many senior clergy appointments have gone to women who, both in terms of personal heritage and parish experience, are English through and through. The nonconformist gibe over a century ago was that Anglicanism was really just the church for the English who settled in Wales. It wasn't true than, but as far as I can see there's considerably more substance to the allegation now!
Where's the motorcycle and sidecar?
ReplyDeleteI'm sure Clarrissa Dixon Wrong and her bosom buddy needed transport for their "Two Fat Ladies" act.
"It wasn't very nice knowing you, let me point you in the right direction and don't let the door hit you in the ar*e on your way out".
ReplyDelete"Into room 101 you go!"
ReplyDeleteThis way to the ducking stool.
ReplyDeleteOne suspects there are a lot of people in Llandaff who would be willing to pay good money to watch that particular spectacle.
DeleteThe ducking stool and its occupant would certainly not resurface if only due to gravity.
DeleteI hope the ducking stool is recovered from the depths, it will be needed again.
DeleteA raised fist in the pulpit in celebration of women's progress in the Church says all about Peggy. A very disturbing video; don't watch is my advice.
ReplyDeleteLW
She was enjoying a high, and used the address as an unedifying self-centred exercise, indulging in some puerilities by the way. Even a farewell should contain one serious note. After all, access to pulpits is given not for self, or even sexual (gender, if you insist), exaltation. To God be the glory not to women's lib.
ReplyDeleteRob
The coven think God is a woman!
DeleteWhat was particularly humiliating and demeaning was when, as archdeacon, she was appointed to conduct reviews of hard working parish priests who had served three times as long as she had, and who had more theology in their little finger than she had than in her whole body. Their pastoral experience, their knowledge of church buildings and general parochial know how was ten times greater than hers, yet she was brought in to supervise them. It was a wretched situation, which now, at least, will not continue.
ReplyDeleteDom
Peggy the Pilate couldn't conduct a bus!
DeleteI don't have a dog in this fight ... but buses don't have conductors any more! The last ones, on London Heritage route 15 and Dundee route 73, were withdrawn because of Covid and will not be returning. Shame.
DeleteNot forgetting the motto of the Pilate Jackson school of accountancy, "the taxman will never know".
ReplyDeleteExcuse me, what is the evidence for this, Llandaff Pewster?
ReplyDeleteRob
The evidence was made available on previous Ancient Briton threads throughout 2013.
DeleteSeek and ye shall find.
Whatever disagreements we may have, it is a serious matter to hint at financial dishonesty. If untrue, it also weakens the integrity of this blog.
ReplyDeleteRob
She said it to Gary Biggin.
DeleteJudge for yourself.
There is no doubt about the integrity of Ancient Briton's blog but the continued failure to produce accounts for the organ appeal and publish quinquennial reports reveals where the lack of integrity lies.
DeleteIt is a far more serious matter to ignore financial irregularities and continue to perpetuate the original cover-up, as are the continued unexplained absence of the golf caddie and the continued failure to publish communicant numbers.
DeleteLittle wonder the pews are emptier than ever and the RB is having to prop up the Cathedral's finances.
PP. I have just a look at the news page of CiW website, as one does! In an article on the WOD birthday the Pilot is named and interviewed as "the archdeacon of Margam". Interesting as it was, I assume she has retired not translated?
ReplyDeleteLux Et Veritas, I agree concerning AB integrity, but am concerned about his failure to disclose his thoughts on Norman Doe's editorial on the 'Century History of the Church in Wales' with emphasis, of course, on the blank page 75 of the domestic scandal which threatened to expose 'Bishop Baldwick's' cunning plan, the 'Provincial Court 1997'.
ReplyDeleteRecently, a substantial amount of historical data concerning the above proceedings were stolen from its legal owner and reported to the police. The Church in Wales had previously declared "We have no such data on ............... All data concerning the case have been destroyed".
It should interest this blog that such claims by the CiW are worthless. Documents reported stolen to the police have now appeared circulating by another establishment in a matter of unlawful use within what is emerging as the ecclesiastical banana republic of Wales.
Enforcer.
Are you seriously suggesting that you ever believed a word that came out of the Church in Wales?
DeleteIf so Enforcer, more fool you.
Can you not imagine my dear Gabriel the shock to discover that His Darkness had no more back bone than a Bernard Mathew's Kentucky fried chicken?
ReplyDeleteEnforcer
Bazza was definitely a turkey ��
DeleteDPM. Interesting postings. If + Andy becomes ++, then it has to be the dark lords game set and match! He will be in his element as the dark puppet master in a second ++ .
ReplyDeleteBut, who are the alternatives?