Wednesday, 2 October 2024

EFCW statement in response to the recent statement by the Bishop of St Asaph at Governing Body

 

The bishop of St Asaph addressing Governing Body         Source: CT/CinW

Statement from the Evangelical Fellowship in the Church in Wales:

At the recent Governing Body meeting the Bishop of St Asaph made reference to EFCW and previous communications with the Bench of Bishop’s in his answer to a question on Conversion Therapy. His answer can be found here or in the Church Times here. Our response is printed below.

The original 2021 letter to the Bench of Bishops (with their original statement appended) and subsequent correspondence which were referenced are linked underneath.

We regret the interpretation put upon the EFCW letter of June 2021 to the Bench of Bishops in the Bishop of St Asaph’s response to Question 1 at the recent September meeting of the Church in Wales Governing Body. This letter was written to the Bench in good faith, as part of an ongoing dialogue, and we are saddened that reference was made to it in a situation that did not allow a right of reply or clarification before the Governing Body, and in its subsequent publication and distribution. We wish to rebut the implication that EFCW (wittingly or unwittingly) endorses conversion therapy.

EFCW does not, and never has, promoted coercive or abusive practices. Nor do we promote or encourage “practices in which pressure is brought upon vulnerable LGBTQIA persons to submit to efforts aimed at the conversion of their sexuality including attempted exorcisms and worse”, which we also agree are abhorrent.

As evangelical Anglicans we uphold the authority of Scripture over every aspect of our lives, as detailed in Articles 6, 7, 19 and 20.  We are concerned that reducing the role of the Church to one simply of “welcome, acceptance and friendship” as the Bishop of St Asaph indicates, without the freedom to discuss the whole Canon of Scripture, or its application to daily life, would undermine the holistic pastoral care and discipleship journeys of those in our congregations. 

We would also wish to have protections allowing prayer to take place with people, at their request, in the way the Bishop of St. Asaph suggests, namely “that God’s grace can be operative in the situation, and that a person would know God’s guidance and blessing, without a defined outcome”.

Full details here.

GB question and Bishop Gregory's answer in 'Highlights' (Session Two).

16 comments:

  1. I’m sorry, I am theologically illiterate, but, may I ask that the article be written in simple English. If I have read it correctly it appears to say if you are not heterosexual you should not receive anything that will make you heterosexual.
    Pardon my interpretation, however, my belief, or should I say from a very early age, my Belief is that to follow our Lord and our God, we should all be heterosexual.
    I stand to be corrected, but, does the Scripture of Our Lord say “a man should not lie with a man as a woman”

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    1. If you study the Hebrew, you may find that this passage is referring to incestuous relationships… Using Leviticus to denounce a loving same-sex relationship is poor academia.

      Academ

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    2. "*May* find that this passage"?
      🤦🤦🤦
      Incest rules and laws were drawn up to prevent inbreeding and reduce the risk of genetic abnormities that often occurred as a result, for example the Egyptian Pharaoh's.
      On your basis you seem to be suggesting that anal sex with your boyfriend is ok but not anal sex with your brother. 98% of the population find either option utterly repulsive.

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    3. Tavistock gender clinic psychologist caught trying to groom 15 yr-old boy by paedophile vigilantes.
      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/03/former-tavistock-psychologist-free-practice-grooming/
      Bewildered

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    4. @ Academ That is a very poor attempt to dodge God's commandments. If you knew any Hebrew at all you would not have said this.

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    5. Acadumb would have been more accurate.

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  2. The weight of wisdom regarding the 'man and woman' purpose of being goes well beyond Christianity but it appears to me that it's only within Christianity (particularly the C-in-W and CofE) that theological insurgent modernists argue for its change.

    'The moral man finds the moral law beginning in the relationship between man and woman but ending in the vast reaches of the universe' Confuciaism: Doctrine of the Mean 12.

    He who loves his wife as himself, who honours her more than himself, who rears his children in the right path ... concerning him it is written 'and you will know that your home is at peace'. Judaism. Talmud.

    The Lord hath made women and man to abide with each other in the closest companionship even as a single soul. They are two intimates who should be concerned about the welfare of each other ... and become the object of divine grace and favour of the Kingdom of Heaven. Baha'l Faith. Abdu'l-Baha.

    I shan't mention the wisdom of Islam from the Qur'an on subject otherwise this will attract the venoms of the anti-Moslems. But they too are steadfast in obeyance of the Scriptures.

    How can all these ancient faiths be wrong ... and the tiny minority of Anglican Church Revised Book of Rainbow Revelations activists be right?

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    1. Best ask someone who is gay and a person of faith to answer that one. Many around, but many more have left homophobic faith systems decades ago. You, Ad Clerum, just need someone to hate so that you can feel better about your own inadequacy. Same old. Same old.

      Academ

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    2. @ Academ what is the purpose of pretending to be clever when you lack basic common sense. When someone shows another person that they are doing the wrong thing and that person repents and does God`s will and is then saved to eternal life then surely that is true love and not hate. Only a sin loving person would see it in any other way. How many personas do you have Academ ?

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    3. It's the latest manifestation of TP, untRuthy, LG and Rufus/Doofus.
      Different alias, same wet woke gay drivel.
      Bewildered

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  3. Here's an irony. When I first met the Bishop of St Asaph, he was in his early twenties. Where did I meet him? On an EFCW retreat! He was a member of EFCW, something he's unlikely to mention now. I have lots of photos from the time, he's in several of them.
    Cymraes yn Lloegr

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    1. He’s to be the more admired for having outgrown what you clearly remain infantilised by. Nothing ironic. Tragic that you have not matured with him.

      Pedro

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    2. EFCW?
      Erectile disFunctions of the Cult in Wales?
      Poor Pedro, the latest Doofus.

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  4. Eh Pedro? Did I say that I'm still a member of EFCW? No. Maybe you don't know that Lloegr is the Welsh word for England, which is where I live. I've had no contact with either EFCW or Church in Wales since 1987 when I left Wales. I've indeed moved on much since then and found a better denomination (not CofE).
    Cymraes yn Lloegr

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  5. An act of God or arson against a Christian landmark?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c6256jy9nldo
    In either case it presents a golden opportunity for the cult in Wales to lend some support.

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