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| Llandaff Cathedral Source: Church in Wales |
"The Church in Wales is taking a further step towards changing its rules so same-sex weddings can take place in its churches. Since 2021 it’s been possible for gay couples who have exchanged wedding vows in a civil ceremony to have their new status blessed in a church service. But so far the necessary constitutional move has not been made to permit weddings themselves.
"According to the Church in Wales’ own rules, all three of its sections – clergy, bishops and lay members – must approve such a change, each by a two-thirds majority. But while senior figures are confident that the clergy and bishops would approve the change, they have not been sure of the lay section, a significant number of whom maintain the conservative view that marriage can only be between a man and a woman."
As previously reported, Llandaff Cathedral is to hold a national memorial service for "people who have suffered exclusion from Christian communities because of their sexuality or gender". It is organised by OneBodyOneFaith, the UK’s oldest Christian LGBT+ members’ network, in partnership with The Gathering, an LGBT+ church in Cardiff, and supported by Church in Wales bishops.
The advancement of LGBTQ+ issues now appears to be the main focus of the Church in Wales as they continue to exclude those who keep the faith.
Current Church in Wales rules provide for same-sex blessings following a Civil Ceremony of Marriage or Partnership in a five year experimental rite which expires on 30 September 2026.
The Archbishop of Wales, Andrew John, has expressed his hope that same-sex weddings will then be held in churches in Wales.
To that end the consecration of 'the youngest person ever to become a bishop in the Church in Wales' may have more to do with the fact that the new assistant bishop of Bangor is engaged to a man in a same-sex partnership.
Postscripts
17.05.2024
Church Times (£): Bishop of Lancaster: I cannot judge Welsh bishop
"Provincial autonomy trumps personal convictions about sexuality for Dr Duff at the consecration of the new Assistant Bishop of Bangor."
18.05.2024
Anglican Ink: The start of an episcopal free for all?
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ReplyDeleteEphesians 5:11
ReplyDelete11` Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them`.
5:11.` Have no fellowship with (see 5:7), or mutual partnership with, unfruitful works of darkness. The “fruit” of the light, “goodness and righteousness and truth” (5:9), is contrasted with “unfruitful works”: evil and wickedness and falsehood. Reprove means “convict, refute, and confute.” Light, by nature, exposes what is in darkness, and the contrast shows sin for what it really is`.
Our lives can be full of hypocrisy for which we pray for forgiveness but I long to be able to worship in a church that is not led by evil hypocritical teachers.
Christians may have widely differing views on this subject. But is it not the case that the Churches of England and in Wales were made "special cases" in the Equal Marriage Act and would require a Parliamentary process to change that? Other denominations are not bound by this legislation and can make their own decisions.
ReplyDeleteHere come the homophobes in, 3, 2, 1….
ReplyDeleteFrustrated
Please quote me the part of the Bible that permits a man to lie with another man as a woman. I’m sure you can’t
DeleteMay you long remain frustrated.
DeleteJudging by the shitefest on offer in Malmo on Saturday night you'd be better off joining the Church of Eurovision satanic mincers and deviants.
Bewildered
Are the "symbols of office" of a bishop of the Cult in Wales a rainbow 🌈, a husband and a bonus hole nowadays?
DeleteGod did not make a man to lie with another man, or a woman with another woman. This should be obvious from nature and from our Bible. While gay people can choose what they do, it is not possible for the Church to condone gay marriage and still be viable. Islam wins.
ReplyDeleteLW
Given the Bible says a man should not ie with a man as a woman, and, this applies to both genders, is it not time for some Bishops and Clerics to resign their “Orders”
DeleteSo says the Pope, allegedly.
Deletehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpvvyxr79glo
Far too much faggotry in seminaries already.
Bewildered
In the long term, it makes no difference because the Church in Wales is numerically sinking fast. I had a one and only encounter with the Bangor Pontiff recently. He was nasty. I was shocked. Much going on there which should be out in the open.
ReplyDeleteCymraes yn Lloegr
Spill the beans.
DeleteDoes anyone actually know what’s going on with budget Pontiff Sion? He’s still listed on certain publications (back of orders of service etc). And regularly posting on social media. How long can they keep silent about it all? I hear that the Consecration on Saturday felt far more relaxed without him stressing and making sure every detail was to his liking.
DeleteTruth
Does anyone care?
DeleteJust relieved to see the mincer go.
I almost said I was glad to see the back of him but then I realised the implication and that so many other mincers had.
Plenty of people care, it’s about honesty and openness. The people of Bangor deserve to know what is happening, what the future holds and what (if anything of course) is going to be done about this mess.
DeleteThere’s little need for the gross comment too to be honest.
Truth
Too far Menai! You're implying something that I don't think is actually the case. Stick to facts please.
DeleteBenllech
Anyone expecting or hoping for honesty and openness from the chocolate teapot Randy Pandy or the cult in Wales is utterly naiive and setting themselves up for a big disappointment.
DeleteYou all know this from previous experience.
Nasty? In what way Cymraes yn Lloegr, and are you talking about the new assistant bishop or the previous Dean? Pardon the confusion but 'bangor pontiff' currently covers both.
ReplyDeleteBenllech.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/13/david-campanale-christianity-british-politics/
ReplyDeleteChristians are now the most despised minority.
It's fair to say that Welby, Cotterell, Mullaly, Hudson-Wilkins are generally despised.
In Wales, the entire plank of "Bishops" are generally ignored and often despised.
DeleteI seem to be missing out on the Mad Mullah of Bangor's social-media rantings or Pontifications - it's one of the joys of living in my remote potting shed up the Ogwen Valley. Have I missed out on anything of any importance [doubtful] or anything which might add to what I suspect most of us already knew about the pathetic child?
ReplyDeleteIt's interesting to note that the numerically challenged C in W now has SEVEN bishops. The Catholic Province that also covers Herefordshire, and has far more communicants than the CiW, is in consultation to merge the diocese of Menevia with the Archdiocese of Cardiff. This will leave just two bishops for the whole province, Cardiff and Wrexham. The self perpetuating bench of Anglican Bishops is beyond belief. It is very expensive to maintain, redundant, and theologically, bankrupt.
ReplyDeleteMuch worse, Merthyr, is that the Harries Report which the "Governing Body approved and which has to be implemented" according to one + Shirley of S&B - hence all the misery areas - expected the Plankers to be reduced to three. Since then, the plankers have appointed three more plankers for St Davids, one for Swansea and Brecon, two for Llandaff, and two for Monmouth.
DeleteCherry Vann told the GB that the bishops are "working on it". The Parishes weren't allowed to "work on it" - it was foisted on them. Yet the Parishes are expected to keep dipping their hands in their pockets to pay for 7 plankers and all the trappings of grandeur that they dream up.
The other hypocrisy is that the plankers turn up at church anniversary services and tell the congregations that they should stop living in the past. Perhaps it would be a good idea if they took the log out of their own eyes before trying to take the splinter out of someone else's eye.
The Loose Canon
Meanwhile I hear that in many English dioceses, the misery areas and the lay focal leadership things Bob Jackson tacked on in St David’s are being touted as a sure fire road to growth. Growth? That’s not what I’ve seen around me here from those things or what I read here about the other CiW dioceses…
DeleteThe truth of the matter, Fr Duddleswell, is that Misery Areas are an episcopal scam. The plankers condemn all the various secular scam artists, but they are just as good at it themselves. They had, no doubt, worked out that they could not fund the Parish system any longer. When clergy said "No" to taking on extra parishes, the plankers couldn't do anything about it, especially if the cleric was a Vicar or a Rector.
DeleteBy removing the parish system, the plankers have all the power in their hands. When a cleric leaves their misery area, those who are left will end up having to take on more work. Before too long, the Cult in Wales will have burnt out clergy, and everything will grind to a halt.
The Loose Canon
Clergy? You'll be lucky.
DeleteMore and more unpaid volunteer lay people are being asked and expected to run the Misery Areas.
Clergy numbers continue to plummet as the demographic time bomb is ticking loudly.
Unpaid lay people are taking on more and more, and I'd never argue with that. Yet your statement "clergy numbers continue to plummet" means that those clergy who are left are also expected to take on more and more. Therein will be the burn out.
DeleteThis is only the case so that the plankers can say "We have a presence in every community in Wales."
The Loose Canon
I agree with you but since when have you believed a word the plankers say?
Delete@ Merthyr
ReplyDeleteA bit like the Welsh Senedd really. Already bloating and hugely costly and now demanding election and funding of another score or so Senedd AMs with their advisors, secretariats, lavish accommodation and expenses overheads ... for no purpose whatsoever except to strengthen the self--importance of this other Welsh idiocy. And as the C-in-W is theologically bankrupt the Senedd is already politically broke.
Stallard was, appointed to this unnecessary position of Assistant Bishop of Bangor and was subsequently shoe horned into Llandaff.
ReplyDeleteKnowing how the teapot likes to make headlines and reading that the CiW is due to vote on authorising same gender marriage, this is how I think it will work out. It is noted that Boozy Bardsey is only engaged at the moment. So, when the vote goes through, Boozy will become the Youngest and first bishop to be married to a same gender person in The Church in Wales. What a coup that would be for the plankers. Watch this space!
Sir Omicron Pi.
His --Darkness bully boy Bazza is still pulling the strings and levers from his technology cupboard in Llys Ego, Whitchurch.
Delete"Look busy - Jesus is coming". The Enforcer.
DeleteOne hopes that Bardsey is a dry island.
ReplyDeleteBenllech.
Nothing wrong with a cleric - even a Bishop - who enjoys a snifter or barrel or two 'Benllech'
DeleteThink back to the great +Tony Crocket ... now there was a man who could drink most hard-men under the table and not your low %vol beer either. Or Justin Welby for that matter on record for admitting his wife often had to stop him from having that extra pint before going out for his evening jog. Crocket's preference was for the stronger Kronenburg and which fool would dare call him a Boozer-Bishop. No surprise that one of UK's favourite beers is called 'Bishop's Finger'. Try two of them Benllech
Quite.
DeleteBenllech.
I'm rather partial to a bottle or two of McKewans Champion ale from Tesco @ 7.2%.
Deletehttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2024/05/20/reparations-britain-west-africa-slave-trade-decolonisation/
ReplyDeleteSod paying reparations.
Bewildered
One has to mention , Ancient Briton, one's surprise at the failure to mention the testimony given by Paula Vennells to the Post Office Horizon hearings this week.
ReplyDeleteSince she has been ordained into the Church of England and was reportedly Justin Welby's first choice to become the Bishop of London, I was expecting a new thread to appear to cover her involvement and role in the outrageous scandal.
There was a fantastic comment on this week’s ’Have I Got News For You’, where the host pointed out Ms Vennells is ordained and said she could often be heard preaching on that well known text The Screwing Of The 5,000…
DeleteI heard someone is planning to write a play about her performances at the inquiry last week.
Delete"The taming of the shrew".
She's going to be invited to play herself as she looks the part.
Point taken Episkopos but please see Near miss! https://ancientbritonpetros.blogspot.com/2024/01/near-miss.html
ReplyDeleteOh, I did AB, last January.
DeleteSince then, of course, there has been the unedifying ordeal of watching three days of Vennells' evidence.
An entirely unconvincing witness utterly devoid of any credibility.
Frankly, she should be defrocked for bringing the Church of England into disrepute, but then again, so should Welby, Cotterell and Mullaly.