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| Source: Church in Wales Diocesan press releases |
Theology in the Church in Wales today is not what it was. Today, verses in the Bible are twisted to suit secular circumstances or ignored altogether so it is not difficult to understand that the same sex partnered bishop is delighted with her new appointment.
Two previous blog entries, Misogyny, repression and stigmatisation and Par for the course drew attention to Canon James' book on Welsh feminist theology Women, Identity and Religion in Wales.
It claimed to offer "significant and original insights into women, Welsh identity and religion":
"Women, Identity and Religion in Wales by Manon Ceridwen James, a Canon at the Cathedral, is the first comprehensive study of its kind from a present-day perspective. At the heart of the book are conversations with thirteen women whose lives and experiences reveal how women facing misogyny, repression and stigmatisation are able to respond with resilience and humour."
A regular critic of this blog commented under my previous entry that bishop Cherry is a "focus for unity and you [another commentator] would do well to apply the 'by their fruits' axiom in regards to assessing her ministry."
The previous paragraph of the biblical text was conveniently ignored: "Beware of false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves."
Thank you for the book recommendation. I have just reserved a copy at my local library.
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If such crap is what counts as a PhD then we are truly set adrift.
DeleteBarry Morgan was bad enough, but this?
Gender studies in Wales.
DeleteEnough said.
One struggles to comprehend how Ancient Briton's thread could possibly be misinterpreted as a "recommendation" rather than a warning.
DeleteTongue-firmly-in-cheek mode! But I wouldn't have heard of the book (or its author) previously, and I do feel it might be worth reading. There is now a large corpus of feminist/womanist theological studies and I want to see what she says. I suspect, from reading her background, that this study is as much sociological as strictly theological; as someone who struggled with the strict barriers which seemed to exist when I did my postgraduate studies at King's College London I welcome the interdisciplinary "crossovers" which are now more common and can shed a lot of light. BTW although the author's first degree was indeed at Pontypridd her Master's and (I think) Doctoral studies were carried out at Chester and the book is published by the University of Wales Press.
DeleteIf you feel it "might be worth reading" so strongly, why not purchase your own copy rather than squander Council tax payer's money?
DeleteBewildered
I'm not. The book was published in 2018 and the Library already has a copy.
DeleteIn which case the council has already squandered the money and I apologise to you.
DeletePerhaps you can share on here how often that copy of the book has been taken out of the Library?
Bewildered
No idea, I'm afraid.
DeleteHow about counting the marks on the cover from when it has been used as a door stop? 😂
DeleteAll very well calling out the madcap bishops of various Welsh diocese, but presumably these ferel-cats in Mitres run their gormless ideas and weird senior appoints by Andy/Alice John if only out of courtesy to his self-important position as Archbishop of Wales.
ReplyDeleteWhere is he in slapping these badly elected bishops down and denouncing their ruinous adventures. Perhaps AB subscribers might look to him for 'leadership' and if its not there muster against the poser.
Were you not aware, AC, that Andy Pandy has no authority in other dioceses or over other diocesan bishops?
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https://www.stpadarns.ac.uk/en/about/team/senior-leadership-team/revd-canon-dr-manon-ceridwen-james/
ReplyDeleteStudied "Humanities" at Treforest Polytechnic.
Says it all.
A feminist humanist.
How low the Church in Wales is fallen.
The very last thing this woman is, is a Theologian.
DeleteAppointed by a lesbian heretic to further undermine Christ's Church.
And still the gullible dopey pew sitters tolerate and lap up such bullshit.
Discernment is dead.
The problem here is that Manon is not a theologian. Her PhD was based on the experiences of women so is not a serious piece of theology. She has done nothing that qualifies her to be described as "a theologian."
DeleteAnd how many of you - dare I ask - have ever met this lady. heard her speak or read any of her writings? If you have done so, and wish to disagree with her, that is your prerogative. But it strikes me that some of tthose commenting here are doing so without that knowledge.
ReplyDeleteDoes the Anglican Church in Wales equate Theology and Sociology?
ReplyDeleteOf course Theology, Sociology (and Anthropology) are different. But although it must be a good thing to study theology with rigour, I don't we can or should divorce it from more "human" aspects. For one thing, abstract theology, however fascinating, can be pretty abstruse and divorced from the realities of life. We must also remember that all theology developed in a particular socio-cultural context, whether that be Trinitarianism and the Council of Nicaea, Luther and Calvin's Reformed understandings, 1960s South American Liberation theology, or whatever. Indeed today we are rightly seeing theology being done in Africa or Asia; I don't know much about this but I'm sure it sometimes leads to insights which may startle or challenge us.
DeletePlease read line 2 as "I don't think we can or should divorce it ...".
DeleteYou obviously have a rather roseate view of Sociology as It only reflects scientific accuracy when problems can be operationalised and measured. Many of its foundation thinkers such as Marx, Weber, Durkheim and Talcott Parsons can be very abstruse and "divorced from the realities of life".
DeleteFair comment (although I don't know Parsons), hopefully things have moved on since those early days. Not all sociologists regard religion as purely "functional".
DeleteA majority of the population in the UK consider religion to be dysfunctional.
DeleteThat may well be true (sadly) but I'm pretty sure you realised I was using the word in a more specific sense!
DeleteI suspect the majority of the population consider sociologists are also dysfunctional.
DeleteThere is a world of difference between the scientific sociology of the LSE and that common to bishops without sociological qualifications. Interestingly enough in the early 80s the chairman of the LSE Sociology Department was Professor David Martin , Chairman of the Prayer Book Society.
DeleteYep. I'm fully aware of that Seymour; something that has only very recently cropped up as the assumed position but which, in fact, has no foundation in 'constitution' or 'protocol' of the C-in-W. That said however, it ought not prevent - should he have the bollox - ++Andrew from using his pulpit to speak-out, using his pen to publish his views, or warning all other potential bishops pushing for appointments that they fall in line with doctrine and accepted theology ... or don't bother applying. Yes. He has clout. Problem is he's too weak to apply it.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately AC, the Arch-Heretic and Chief Apostate of Wales is just as heretical as the others who twisted Scripture to embrace the zeitgeist. Should he say anything, the reply he would get is Physician, heal yourself.
DeleteThe Cult in Wales needs to be put out of its misery. I was talking to a friend who attends a church which used to have a congregation of 70-80 before the pandemic. They are now lucky if they get into double figures. People have left because they do not agree with the blessing of SSM and they do not like misery areas. The planksitters are convinced that they are right and everyone else is wrong. "She who is no more" in Llandaff even congratulated herself at her departure for getting the diocese into teams. I am sure that people in the northernmost parts of Anglesey must have heard the collective sigh of relief from Llandaff on 1 December.
Seymour
It is neither an "assumed" position nor recent AC but has been the case for at least fifty years to my certain knowledge.
DeleteWhen confronted by the then Archbishop with evidence of his cottaging exploits in Llandaff fields, Eryl Thomas and instructed to put an immediate stop to such behaviour, Eryl told him in no uncertain terms where to put his instructions.
A year or so later it was all over the Western Mail and arguably Llandaff has never recovered.
My former parish also went from 40/50 to average of 12. This was mainly because the PP and curate could not be arsed to lift up the phone and ask how folk were doing. I did tell them that if they both just rang one person a day, they'd cover the whole congregation in a month and it would be so much appreciated. But no! They knew best, and now folk have voted, with their feet.
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Read the book then comment AB. I have and it’s superb. You’d learn a lot as would many here. Too frightened to open its pages !!!
DeleteDD
What basis do you have for assuming AB hasn't read the book?
DeleteSame basis I have for assuming you haven’t either - you only read what confirms your negative homophobic anti-feminist biases. Good day.
DeleteDD
In reality, no basis at all then.
DeleteStandard practise for you.
Just realised that DD is Meghan Markle.
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DD
DD really is a pathetic scuttler.
DeleteDon't feed the Troll, ignore it.
I don't see myself as a Troll at all to be honest. Trolling behaviours typically include deliberately posting argumentative messages in an attempt to provoke, disrupt and upset others. Given that definition, the whole premise of this site is Trolling -it’s its Raison d'être.
DeleteA true Troll pretends to be part of the group when their real intent is to create conflict for their own amusement. I'm not in the least bit part of this group nor am I ever amused by what I read here - genuinely distressed by it to be honest.
I give this site time only to add a counter voice to the right-wing homophobic guff I read here - I offer a counter narrative. Gas light me as a Troll – I expect nothing less.
DD
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Delete😴 😴 😴 😴 same to you Gassy
DD
The most tedious and unimaginative specimen ever to blight Ancient Briton's blog.
DeleteI'll take than Enoch. Have a wonderful Christmas celebrating the christ who inhabited the most marginal of flesh in order to win our salvation. Tedious, I know, but true.
DeleteDD
More tempted to think DD = Diana Dors for no other reason that Dors real name was Miss Fluck.
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ReplyDeleteI understand the priestess Revd Dr Manon Ceridwen James is married.
Is she still a priestess in the kitchen, the living room and the bedroom?
Apart from the implicitly derogatory use of the term "priestess", just what do you mean by your question?
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ReplyDeletePrior Prioress
Deacon Deaconess
Priest Priestess
Try calling Glenda Jackson an actor. You'll be sorry😂😂
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I've now picked up Dr James' book from the library so shall see what she says.
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ReplyDeleteYour post is pregnant with the supposition of equality between the sexes
Remove supposition, and apply thought.
BT at 17:49
ReplyDeleteIn this instance, do you think that the priestess must surrender to sexual inequality for the act of sexual intercourse to be successful?
Sorry. Is any one else having problems trying to understand D. Singh's thought process?
ReplyDeleteUnison Off. I'm mystified.
So am I!
ReplyDeleteAs am I.
DeleteOther contributors have complained of the relentless and tedious nature of D Singh’s comments on this site.
Perhaps we should be grateful that he/she has added incomprehensibility to the repertoire.
RB
Added?
DeleteI never found it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-64043949
ReplyDeleteThe queering and transgender agenda being pushed in Scotland by the SNP and Greens.
The sickness spreads and the Church remains silent.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11560467/Fury-church-changes-lyrics-God-Rest-Ye-Merry-Gentlemen-inclusive.html
DeleteThe malaise goes on.
Seymour
The best response to such PC BS is to sing the traditional words as loud as possible whilst staring at the priest/priestess responsible for including such drivel in the service and of course, not giving anything to the collection plate.
DeleteI recently learned of a rewritten version of the wonderful Advent Carol, Veni Veni Emmanuel.
DeleteApparently some fool somewhere has decided that the words "and ransom captive Israel" are offensive and anti-semitic.
I shall see if I can obtain a copy and post it here for information and general comment.
The deviant and demented (DD) will be queuing up to shout out their approval and Wokeism, Jayne Ozanne being first in the line no doubt.
DeleteGood call FM.
Deletehttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/12/20/christmas-carol-rewritten-inclusive-pushes-woke-unbiblical-agenda/
The usual malignant queered vocal minority didn't delay in piling in with their support of all that is unholy.
Bewildered
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/12/21/christmas-carols-shouldnt-rewritten-says-bishop-woke-agenda/
DeleteWhile the Church of England spineless and cowardly Bishops remain mute and dare not speak out against the satanic perversion of the Christmas story at least Cardinal Nicholas has spoken out.
Cardinal Nicholas - is that the head of the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales who has, more often, shown he cares more about the impact of abuse on the Church's reputation than on the victims? Yes, that's him.
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ReplyDeleteQuote of the year, taken from the transgender debate taking place in Scotland this week.
ReplyDelete"Never has so much been said about so few".
Sums it up.
So called gender dysphoria is a mental illness, not a "choice" for 16 year-olds to be experimented with.
DeleteWe had a lovely time at Stonehenge yesterday.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-64063109
Far more people take an interest in the Winter Solstice than for the entire Cult in Wales.
Hurrah for druids and the original gods of the British Isles.