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Pray for the repose of the soul of HM Queen Elizabeth II who died peacefully at Balmoral this afternoon |
May Angels lead you into paradise;
may the Martyrs receive you at your coming
and lead you to the holy city of Jerusalem.
May a choir of Angels receive you,
and with Lazarus, who once was poor, may you have eternal rest.
God bless Her Majesty.
ReplyDeleteLong live the King.
May she rest in peace and rise in glory.
ReplyDeleteGod bless you Ma'am.
Requiescat in pace Regina Elizabetha.
ReplyDeleteWhilst Anglican bishops waffled and dissembled the teachings of the Christian Faith, she carried on proclaiming what the faithful have believed for centuries. Well done, good and faithful servant, enter now the joy of your Master.
ReplyDeleteSeymour.
Deo Gratias.
ReplyDeleteThank God for the life and faithful service of our Queen.
Give rest unto thy servant Elizabeth.
Well done thou good and faithful servant, enter thou into the joy of the Lord.
ReplyDeleteDeo Gratias
AMEN.
ReplyDelete“… till death thy endless mercies seal
ReplyDeleteAnd make the sacrifice complete.”
(RB)
Requiescat in Pace
ReplyDeleteThank you to Her Majesty for her long service and steadfast faith.
ReplyDeleteRIP
Justorum anime in manu Dei sunt.
ReplyDeleteThe souls of the righteous are in the hands of God.
Presumably the ever-so-busy ++John might find diary slot this time round to attend HM's funeral (if of course the Duke of Norfolk and Lord Chamberlain invites him) and not send some trivial minion in his place. Personally I think he should be made as welcome as inviting Donald Trump.
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I do wonder what ++Welby & ++Sentamu think of the probable last ++ of Wales. His ‘man and/or woman management’ skills, as the leader of this organisation, have been tested over recent years here in the Diocese of Bangor, and have been found to be lacking in the basic ability to appropriately deal with everyday staff management problems. On several occasions his manner in the presence of members of the diocesan team has suggested that he not had his routine aggression sapping morning run, when those present witnessed that aggression.
DeleteThe results of his ‘leadership’ are clearly experienced here in the city, where we have, for various reasons, the Cathedral as the only place of Christian worship.
It has become obvious that the Cathedral, despite it’s excellent musical traditions being maintained, and despite it’s apparent limitless financial resources, is unable and in fact does not even attempt to offer any thing other than a very high Church, faux Roman Catholic Church service, complete with faux Cardinal, bells and incense.
What can a very concerned lay person, here in Bangor or in any other diocese in Wales, do to get their serious and genuine concerns, openly and widely discussed, possibly in the presence of an Archbishop who has had his morning run.
Ajustchurch100
Do not other denominations - which must surely have churches in the city - not offer "Christian worship". then?
DeleteWalk away and stop your giving.
DeleteDiolchwn am fywyd, cariad a gwasanaeth Ei Mawrhydi y Frenhines Elizabeth II,
ReplyDeletebydded i'w henaid orffwys mewn heddwch.
I'm not a monarchist either by inclination or by conviction, but my sense is that most people in both Wales and England still are.
ReplyDeleteAnd if that's the case, I don't think that we could have had a better or more principled head of state over the last seventy years than 'Elizabeth R.'.
How 'Charles R.' will compare, time will tell. My own sense is that he's a thoroughly decent guy, if rather remote and sheltered in terms of the experience of your average Brit. But, unfortunately, there are quite a lot of folk in 'middle England' who don't like him.
But he deserves his chance.
Dear John. I always value your comments for their politeness (some comments on this blog are better fitted to the worse of the secular 'meedja') and insight. I don't always agree with you. I too am not a natural monarchist; not one by inclination. However, in the past ten years or so, my republicanism has largely gone. I'm certainly not a 'royalist' but I am a monarchist - still trying to work out how to put that coherently myself!
DeleteBy the way, I think I remember you in Monmouth Diocese. Did you have rather long hair in those days?
And helpful to him also, JE, is that he carries more of his beloved Grandmother's DNA, her humour, her humility, her phenomenal memory etc. than perhaps any of his siblings. Through most of his early years it was the Queen Mother who mentored him, protected him and matured him rather than perhaps his father and bullish Uncle Dickie. HRH Edinburgh might have dismissed him as a 'weakling', but that's not to be confused with being 'a sensitive' lad ... and one hopes, he's carried that sensitive nature into his 73-year. No bad thing for a modern Monarch.
ReplyDeleteI suppose I'm not entirely sure, because I've known one or two instances of individuals who have had all the advantages of a loving and supportive extended family, but have still turned out to be 'wrong'uns'
DeleteBut if that were the case with Charles, I think we'd have seen clear signs of it by now, given the age which he's now reached and the decades-long public profile which he's inevitably had.
The only slight and arguable downsides to him that I've seen are pretty small and petty - his valet purportedly squeezing his toothpaste on to his brush, and his odd tiny tantrum this morning which appeared to be around pens which he seemed to think were cluttering his table.
So all in all I think that you make a pretty fair assessment of him, on the basis of what we know. As I said in my initial post, he surely deserves to be given his chance to shine.
Very pleasing to note that Charles III has been proclaimed "Defender of the Faith".
ReplyDeleteEven if he sticks with his previously expressed preference to be 'defender of faiths' rather than one particular faith?
DeleteInclusive, one imagines, of Islam?!
THE Faith.
DeleteSingular.
Two difficulties with that.
DeleteThe first is that the Pope bestowed the title on Henry VIII in recognition that, in his amateur theologian mode, he wrote his 'Defence of the Seven Sacraments'. Whereas, after Henry's time, the new Church of England denied that there even were seven sacraments.
And the second is that Charles, quite some years back, asserted that he was way less keen on defending THE faith, but preferred to defend the more abstract concept of 'faith' - which seems to imply pretty much any faith that someone might choose.
So, overall, I'm not entirely sure that this works any more!
Whether previously less keen or not, the King has already spoken and proclaimed his position on the subject now.
DeleteWhat other religion or faith has, or ever had, seven Holy Sacraments?
DeleteBewildered
@ Bewildered:
DeleteI'd suggest that question isn't really relevant. I'm not sure that any other religion has a sacramental theology which is really analogous with that which developed in Christianity. But indeed it's certainly the case that eastern sacramental theology developed rather differently, and generally independent of, similar developments in Latin Christianity.
But that's not really relevant to the issue of Henry VIII's treatise 'Assertio Septem Sacramentorum', which was penned in 1521 - with the rumoured assistance of Thomas More, who was better up on this sort of thing than the king was.
His aim, back then in those early days, was to reinforce the teachings of the mediaeval Latin church in the face of the innovations - Henry, at that time, would have said the heresies - of Martin Luther.
If it isn't relevant what was your point in raising it in the first place?
DeleteBewildered
I didn't raise it. Rather, Henry VIII did, in 1521.
DeleteYou raised it in *this* conversation, along with your observation that the "new Church of England" denied there were seven sacraments.
DeleteWhat was your point?
Bewildered
I'm not speaking for John Ellis: he's more than capable himself of that. However - and for what it's worth - the number of sacraments (and, therefore, the means of identifying them) were in hot dispute for centuries in the Western Church. Cramner's letters show that he was very much aware of this.
DeleteI'm not speaking for John Ellis: he's more than capable himself of that. However - and for what it's worth - the number of sacraments (and, therefore, the means of identifying them) were in hot dispute for centuries in the Western Church. Cramner's letters show that he was very much aware of this.
Delete@ Bewildered:
DeleteI raised it (a) because the pope bestowed the title 'Fidei Defensor' on Henry VIII specifically in response to his 'Assertio Septem Sacramentorum' and (b) because within thirty years, Henry having renounced papal authority in the meantime ('The Bishop of Rome hath no authority in this Realm of England') Henry's newly autonomous church had denied that there were seven sacraments. Though admittedly Henry was dead before it did so.
Ever since then the use of the title has always struck me as somewhat absurd, and likely to become even more absurd if the new monarch decides to interpret it as 'defender of faiths', which takes the title yet further from its original significance.
It’s interesting to note that the late Queen herself seemed to agree with the proposition of monarch as “Defender of Faith” as well as “Defender of the Faith”. In 2012 she said this: “The concept of our Established Church is occasionally misunderstood, and, I believe, commonly under-appreciated. Its role is not to defend Anglicanism to the exclusion of other religions. Instead, the Church has a duty to protect the free practice of all faiths in this country.”
DeleteFirst-timer
I wasn't aware of the late queen's observation, but it doesn't strike me as at all surprising, and indeed in the contemporary situation her take on this matter strikes me as wholly apposite and laudable. Part of her genius was her capacity - in almost if not in absolutely every context! - to ensure that the crown accorded itself with the drift of majority opinion in contemporary Britain.
DeleteBut the fact remains that the concept of an 'established church' was originally intended to enforce on the nation one absolute, compulsory and uniform pattern of belief and order of worship on everyone in the realm of England.
Within a century of that enactment it became clear that it was practically unenforceable, and from the beginning of the 18th century attempts to enforce it , except for Roman Catholics, gradually diminished.
May light perpetual shine upon her.
ReplyDeleteThe chocolate teapot Randy Pandy isn't the only one to bring shame on Wales and, after his last snub to Her Majesty, hopefully he will not be invited to her funeral.
How utterly tasteless to hear Plaid Cymru, Leanne Woods and others already spouting their bile about not wanting a new Prince of Wales.
Delighted to see King Charles has acted so quickly and ignored them.
Hopefully they won't be invited to the Investiture in Caernarfon.
Leanne who? Are you referring to yesterday's woman from the Rhondda? These people love to think themselves so important.
DeleteSeymour
When was she ever Today's woman?
DeleteOn a par with Sturgeon - beneath contempt.
Not on a par with Sturgeon - far far less popular with the electorate even at her peak
DeleteHer Majesty was the finest servant our Country may ever see and we have all been so fortunate to live during her Reign.
ReplyDeleteThe Queen is dead.
Long live the King.
Sadly, all too soon, the practical realities now take over.
Llandaff Cathedral is still a shambles, without a Dean and dysfunctional.
But next Friday the King and Queen Consort will be present for a National service of thanksgiving.
Will the Chapter, Avanti Productions and the BBC try and screw over the faux Cathedral Choir and the zero hours burger 🍔 flippers over EQUITY live broadcast fees once again?
You remember bloggers, like they attempted over Songs of Praise in May 2013.
Or has the Chapter learned its lesson and finally decided to treat its current non-employees properly and with respect?
Frankly Simple Simon, I find it somewhat obscene that lay-clerk choir (or boys) should even consider charging 'performance' fees for such an event; profiting from tragedy and expecting financial reward for singing their/our praises in worshipful petition to God. This does not imply that the BBC ought to profit either from the 'pro bono' of a cathedral choir, but rather set aside performance rights to some charity or other close to HM ER heart. Please don't tell me that all those retired diocesan clergy at Llandaff who demothball their cobwebbed robes to process and fill the empty Chapter stalls also charge fees. I wouldn't be surprised if they do.
ReplyDeleteOld Bill.
Do all the Police around the UK cashing in on the massive amounts of overtine donate their unexpected windfalls to charities close to the heart of HM QEII?
DeleteWhat about HM Armed forces who will be carrying out extra duries in the coming ten days?
Would you take the bread off their tables too?
Should Her Majesty's funeral directors also forego their fees?
What about the BBC presenters, camera crews, sound engineers and technicians?
Not forgetting the Council workers erecting barriers around the country and the scaffolders busy erecting their equipment in Llandaff Cathedral this weekend?
I suppose you'd happily see them all working and plying their professions and trades for nothing too?
No Church or Cathedral singers that I know of "charge fees". Fees for live broadcasts and recordings are set out and agreed by the Muslim's Union, Equity and the BBC annually and clearly laid out in a Rate Card, not to mention the singer's contracts of Employment and T&Cs.
His Majesty, the Royal Family and the Crown won't be charged a penny piece.
All performance fees due to singers, organists and Directors of Music will be paid by the BBC, ITV, S4C and other media organisations that choose to record or broadcast the proceedings.
It is a matter of public record that Llandaff Cathedral has been a thoroughly disreputable employer and repeatedly mistreated its professional musicians in the past, to the extent of making them redundant only nine years ago. That was the Christian response (from the Archdeacon of Llandaff Peggy the Pilate, Archdeacon Christopher Smith, Canon Stephen Kirk and Canon Philip Mason, the last two of which are still in post I believe) to reasonable requests for contracts of employment and the Employment tribunal judge who had told the Cathedral that it was in the wrong.
Ten years on the question is whether or not the Dean and Chapter treat their employees or contractors any better?
It seems unlikely as zero hours contracts were reported to have been imposed, with no sick pay, no holiday pay etc.
And that's despite the fact Arch hypocrite Welby denouncing the use of zero hours contracts a couple of years ago.
What niggardly mean-hearted squalid remarks from the Old Bill.
DeleteOne suspects William has never read Matthew 20, 1-16
DeleteEven the BBC is aware of it though.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zd76rj6/revision/5
Orrection, "Muslim's Union" should read Musician's Union.
DeleteA combination of predictive text and my poor eyesight.
Is Old Bill's spite aimed only at the singers in Llandaff or does he include those of St. Paul's Cathedral in London who sang at the service on Friday and also the choristers of Westminster Abbey who will perform the music at Her Majesty's funeral a week Monday?
DeleteThe obscenity is the fact that Llandaff Cathedral has previous form. If Old Bill's disgusting attitude is still prevalent then the original question from Simple Simon is entirely justified.
What a charmer.
DeleteOld Willy seems incapable of understanding the difference between amateur volunteers and fee earning professionals.
It's a matter for the organisers to decide if they're willing to settle for well-meaning amateurs and accept a much simpler repertoire and considerably lower standards.
At the other extreme, if the organisers decide His Majesty deserves the best, they could choose to hire the WNO chorus.
In such a case Old Willy would probably expect them to rehearse for nothing as well as perform for nothing.
What a truly obnoxious attitude from Old Bill.
DeleteLittle wonder the Police are increasingly held in contempt.
If they are "salaried" why can they claim overtime by the hour?
Do the Priests and Preachers do their duties for nothing?
DeleteDoes the Cathedral Architect work for nothing, or the Stonemasons who build and repair God's house?
Old Bill is a complete horses arse.
Perhaps the Scaffolders working in the Cathedral would be wise to reinforce the Clerestory while they're at it.
DeleteIt's not unheard of for lumps of masonry to fall during funeral services in Llandaff.
The "Church" has been a commercially run corrupt business enterprise for the best part of two millennia.
DeleteIf not indulgences it was tithes.
Most have now worked it out and have walked away.
The few remaining gullible pew sitters are fast dying out.
Not too much longer to go before Llandaff Cathedral becomes a night club, a mosque, a museum or a climbing centre.
Dai, you're alright after all. I am so relieved.
DeleteI even asked the boys and girls on here to go and look around any oak groves near them just in case the Holy Spirit had got hold of you.
See, we real Christians are quite nice really, apart from the odd burning of heretics here or there.
Seymour
If burning heretics floats your boat Seymour then the best place to start would be the Bishops of the Cult in Wales, followed by Canterbury and York.
DeleteGood hunting.
Last one is from me.
DeleteDai, the problem is that they are so wet, they wouldn't burn.
DeleteSeymour
They'd burn alright, just add petrol to taste.
DeleteSimilarly nasty comments from Old Bill have been expressed before.
DeleteHowever, the principle that such fees must be paid (to cover the performer's copyright © etc) was actually never at issue, merely the correct amounts.
Originally, the Lay Clerks were told by Richard Moorhouse that for multiple rehearsals and for three episodes of Songs of Praise, their fee would be £100 total. Moorhouse informed them that the BBC were notoriously bad payers but that he would negotiate, on their behalf, an increase to £110.
This did not even meet the legally required National Mimimum Wage.
Some of the Lay Clerks had joined EQUITY and asked the Union to intervene on their behalf.
When contacted by the Union, Moorhouse was furious and told EQUITY that their members would be excluded from the Production. Moorhouse was told that would also be illegal and that the Lay Clerks did not need to belong to a Union to be paid the proper nationally agreed rates. He was also informed that since Llandaff Cathedral had not provided any contracts of employment for the Lay Clerks, neither the Cathedral nor Moorhouse could negotiate on their behalf in any case.
Moorhouse responded by telephoning around the Lay Clerks demanding to know who had dared to join and involve a Union!
Instead of agreeing to take the advice of the Union, the usual MO prevailed and the games of 'hunt the mole' and 'blame' began.
Janet Henderson responded in the Western Mail, claiming that the Cathedral was not in it to make a profit, that Songs of Praise was a "low budget" production and that no decision had been made about which choristers would be taking part in the recordings.
Janet Henderson was demonstrated to be lying through her teeth on all three points.
The Cathedral had allegedly increased its usual booking fee from £1,000 to £7,000, the budget for EACH of the three episodes was £60,000 (compared with around £20,000 for an episode of a soap), emails from Moorhouse existed proving the Lay Clerks had been booked for the recordings months previously, and the final inconvenient truth was that they had already started rehearsals.
EQUITY contacted the BBC which confirmed publicly that it expected the usual nationally negotiated and agreed rates to be paid and the matter had been raised with the Avanti Production Company.
Whatever sleight of hand was being attempted by Avanti/Llandaff Cathedral /Janet Henderson /Richard Moorhouse, there were a number of significant outcomes.
The number of rehearsal and recording sessions were reduced.
Janet Henderson resigned a week before the recording sessions took place.
The evening before the recording sessions started, a representative from Avanti Productions (a Mr David Mahoney) attended a meeting with the Lay Clerks (with Moorhouse and Peggy the Pilate present) to inform them they would be receiving fees of almost £600 each.
The three Lay Clerks who made formal complaints were excluded from the recordings.
One of the Lay Clerks that had initially joined the Union resigned his membership, took part in the recordings and received the correct fees.
Two of the Lay Clerks who had joined the Union were offered, by Peggy the Pilate, £1,000 each in compensation if they would agree not to take part in the recordings. On legal advice they both reluctantly agreed to that request. A week later the Cathedral sacked their lawyers and those two Lay Clerks have not been paid their compensation to this day.
All the Lay Clerks were made redundant seven months later, boys only services took place for the first nine months of 2014 and Moorhouse didn't return from his summer holiday.
The description "disreputable employer" is far too good for Llandaff Cathedral.
Personal experience has taught me that the former Archdeaconesse Peggy "the taxman will never know" Pilate is a lying cow but that's pretty low even by her dismal standards.
DeleteThe swamp is actually a cess pit, a midden of filth and vipers.
Moorhouse was at least ten years late starting his Monkey Music franchise 🙊 😂 😂
DeleteThe reality was that Peggy the Pilate, as nasty as she is, was merely a puppet.
DeleteBehind the scenes, the puppet master was always Barry Morgan the Malignant.
I am reliably informed that it was him that sacked the Cathedral lawyers Robertsons and Luke Hallinan.
Bully boy --Bazza was always the one pulling the strings and Peggy the Pilate never had the authority to negotiate anything.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-62901876
DeleteAccording to the BBC Gerwhine Capon is back on the scene to lead tomorrow's service and the anthem will be sung by
"a choir".
O happy days!
So sung worship to God isn't in glory but rather a commercial business (or income-earning profession) dictated by the musicians' trade union. No fees - no singing. I bet God - assuming He's not tone-deaf - would appreciate the free-giving of voices he created than bickering about who pays and how much. Bit like the origins of Vicars-Choral of old. Old geezers of sound voice who'd often be press-ganged to stand-in for their local cathedral and Abbey clerics for singing long and tedious midweek litergies and psalms. No compulsion to actually believe in God just a wilingnesss to accept a couple of shillings and cover the backside's of their lazier clergy. I bet the choirs of angels don't submit invoices; and yes, I can pray quite happily without my utterings requiring my 'petitions' needing choirs to speed my prayers along.
ReplyDeletePolice officers, street cleaners, funeral directors??? They're there to fulfil a public service as part of their salaried duties. Choirs are auxilliary to the act of worship and not critical. If that's your choice, then chivvy in to the collection plate or add more to your TV licence. But not for me thanks. And yeah, on law of probabilities, 50-50 chance God is tone-deaf.
Old Bill.
A few additional smart-arse comments to add to the howls since I last commented, but I repeat my point. If I want the 'entertainment' of good professional music I'll buy tickets to listen to the Halle Orchestra or some fine chorale concerts in Liverpool. For purposes of prayer and to give thanks, I go to church. Any of you loonie-tunes know how much Bangor Cathedral presently spends on its Music budget (choir, music staff, constant organ tuning, purchase of new grand piano, now new choir stalls, domestic accommodation of music staff, robes, et al). Unsurprisingly, it won't be published. But unsurprisingly also, I can state that NOT A PENNY of current cathedral income has or is being spent on Christian charity work to the poor, to the wider Anglican communion in Africa, to pastoral care in the community, to the relief of poverty or injustice around the world ... Not a Penny. Bangor, as I suspect typical of other diocese, appears to think that the Church's function is to 'perform'; it's become a concert hall not a place of worship. Evidence of this is shown when the choir is 'down' from summer months .. few if any of the choir or music staff attend regular worship which begs the question? Are they only there on regular Sunday's to 'clock in ' for their fees. Unlike other more bespoke choirs such as St. Martin's in the Field, they don't even contribute to the income-earning of their churches. As I say, God is all ears to genuine prayer - even silent prayer - but probably not so impressed by those who charge Union-rate fees and PRS kick-backs to cantor His praise. And who knows, He might actually prefer George Formby music. Who knows.
ReplyDeleteOld Bill
Clearly I can't comment on Bangor Cathdrals outgoings and I suspect they may be more complex than first meets the eye. But I would make two comments (and, remember, I'm a Nonconformist coming from a tradition in which most musicians are unpaid volunteers within a church's congregation and the notion of paid choirs is almost unknown).
ReplyDelete1. Providing good music is expensive. My last church was a large Victorian chapel with a good pipe organ and a paid organist. The choristers were volunteered although we did draw in "friends and relations" to supplement them on high days and holidays; these were sometimes given an honorarium. But the costs were high, £xk for the organist, £y for keeping the organ up to scratch (including spending £70 just to heat the church every time it was tuned), smaller amounts for music. It all added up to a sum approaching five figures - we generally had only one main service each Sunday so I wondered how much the "cost per hymn" was! Quite a lot. Should the money have been spent on other things? Perhaps. But perhaps some, at least, of the money might not have been given for other things.
2. There is a real issue with "quality" of music - by which I don't mean the choice of music or style (well, not mainly) but the standard of performance, Professional musicians should of course be able to attain higher standards than time-pressed amateurs. Now it's true that God may be pleased with a joyful noise; personally I find that music which tries to scale dizzy heights but fails detract from my worship as all I hear are the mistakes, the badly-pitched notes or the botched rhythems. Simple music well-played is far preferable although less aesthetically enriching.
Of course some of the 'large city churches' have an amateur music group of unpaid volunteers - most of whom are grade #8+ or music graduates. It is far more important that musicians leading worship are Christians than how pitch-perfect they are!
DeleteRubbish.
DeleteIt's far more important that the CLERGY are Christians than how politically correct or woke but for the most part we've been landed with apostates, heretics and deviants.
Professional musicians do not have to belong to any faith to apply for a job.
DeleteThat would be discrimination!
Indeed, I remember a boy chorister in the early 1980s who was a Seikh.
His parents just had to agree that he would play the part, which he did.
Same as the kids that attend the Bishop of Llandaff High school today.
The BBC has confirmed the chocolate teapot Randy Pandy is to give the address at the service in Llandaff Cathedral on Friday morning.
ReplyDeleteOne can only wonder what incentives the King had to offer to winkle the Archpillock out of Bangor for the day rather than sending his junior representative?
The rack and a red hot poker up his a**e?
DeleteI wouldn't trust the fool to tie a pair of shoe laces.
DeleteHopefully someone else will be writing his script for him?
If not, God help us, he's a complete and utter embarrassment.
Imagine our country being represented by the likes of Dripford and Randy Pandy.
DeleteGod help us.
King Charles would be far safer leaving the Arch clot in the obscure backwater of Bangor so he can continue plotting his £100 million giveaway.
DeleteBut God help us indeed.
Randy Pandy would have been a total nobody lost in the crowds of the jubilee service in London .
DeleteIn Llandaff Cathedral this morning he was still a total nobody but elevated in the pulpit to be the centre of attention for a few minutes.
Not unlike episodes of Songs of Praise, hordes come out of the woodwork for their brief moments on TV.
More likely Laughing Gas, Anna Morrell has conned him into thinking that he might get his gormless 'photo-pose' onto Welsh telly. That's the trick with Andy ... play to his self-importance and vanity.
ReplyDeleteBut it's all artificial. The official 'news' website of the Diocese of Bangor publishes a tribute to HM Queen. Yet again, the BISHOP of Bangor (aka Archbishop of Wales) got his minion Asst. Bishop of write it and put her name to it. Not him of course: no glory in that is there. Hot-Pants Andy is far too busy doing something-or-other else ...!?
HMK looked very ill at ease when the Cathedral service started with "Tydi a wnaeth y wyrth".
ReplyDeleteWho can blame him when the vast majority of the faux Cathedral choir can't read or speak Welsh either.
DeleteOne wonders if minus Mary is being prepared as the Diocesan when The Teapot is translated to Llandaff in a year's time?
ReplyDeleteUnison Off
The very last thing Llandaff needs is that fool, we have more than enough already.
DeletePlaid Cymru, Bethan Sayed and her ilk were utterly pathetic, bringing disgrace on themselves and us this morning.
ReplyDeleteNo Cymru
Elis-Thomas is just as bad, spouting off about the format of the Investiture for Prince William.
DeleteWhat the hell business is it of his anyway?
Some carrot (translate to the Welsh) in Pontypridd has started a petition to scrap the title of Prince of Wales.
DeleteThe grand total of 29,000 other carrots have signed it.
So the lunatic fringe in Wales is less than 1% of the general population.
However, the same number demonstrates the lunatic fringe is double the size of the Cult in Wales.
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
Two lunatic fringes in Wales.
DeleteOne would never have guessed.
Why is it "lunatic" to have a debate about the place of monarchy in a modern democratic society? And why is it "lunatic" to suggest that the almost instant declaration of William as Prince of Wales, without any discussion among the people of Wales or even, it seems, with the Westminster government, was ll-judged - or worse?
Deletehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-62929743
DeleteThe lunatic fringe has grown to 34,000, so hardly a ringing endorsement for Cefin and his gang.
No Cymru
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-63158857
DeleteAnother of the lunatic fringe enjoying his five minutes of fame courtesy of BBC Wales.
No Cymru
If you want a good laugh look on you tube for Mark Drakeford's reading from the Old Testament and switch on the subtitles. Also on twitter @AlexanderSmith Don't have to register. Begins with Rodeo Gaddafi man Gary on Earth! savvy young dad, foie gras ghanians Even includes VAR. It's hilarious.
ReplyDeleteCymraes yn Lloegr
In plain English please.
DeleteThat was some Funeral.
ReplyDeleteMagnificent.
Majestic.
Solemn.
Splendid.
Unique.
Just like Her Majesty.
Adieu Ma'am.
For my taste, the grand finale of the slow march to Windsor and the interment service in the intimacy of St. George's Chapel were the highlight.
DeleteRespectful pomp, pageantry and the British public at its very best.
I hope it was everything Her Majesty had planned and wished for.
God save the King.
Todays music really was well chosen and performed sublimely.
DeleteUnlike the meagre offerings in Llandaff on Friday.
The difference was stark.
Two places of worship today had the budget for a Rolls Royce.
Llandaff wishes it did but has only the budget for a Trabant.
On social media, the service at Llandaff has been awarded many congratulations for the quality of the music.
ReplyDeleteUnison off
I noticed the Dean of St Davids at St Paul's Cathedral. Was His Grace, the Archbishop of Wales present?
ReplyDeleteWho knows?
DeleteWho cares?
New Dean of Llandaff announced. An excellent choice.
ReplyDeleteCymraes yn Lloegr
Is he independently wealthy?
DeleteHe'll need to be to be able to afford to run the Capon's Aga and wood burning stove.
Are you joking CynLl?
DeleteThe bloke had a CDM lodged against him at Christchurch.
@Cymraes yn Lloegr
DeleteI'd be extremely interested and grateful if you could explain why you think yet another - to say the least - controversial appointment is "an excellent choice"?
Is this really the best Llandaff Cathedral and Diocese can hope for nowadays?
Excited to read that the traditional cocktails at Llandaff Deanery will soon be following again.
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In their recent statement the bishops said that their "prayers are with the Royal family at this sad time" . This is epistemological and theological nonsense. Our prayers FOR the royal family are With GOD. The bishops seem incapable of doing anything other than following the Zeitgeist either through laziness or stupidity or both. As we have heard countless times over the last few days the phrase "My thoughts and prayers are with x" sit happily on the lips of atheists - if there is no God where else are my prayers to go? Once again Andy Pandy and his cronies have let us all down by mouthing meaningless platitudes.
ReplyDeleteThe only surprise here is that you are surprised. The "bishops" don't believe in God.
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ReplyDeleteThe latest mug to agree to sip from the poisoned chalice.
Another kick in the teeth for all the senior clergy in the Diocese and the Province.
DeleteAnother kick in the teeth for all orthodox anglo catholics in the Diocese.
Another homosexual partnered "priest" playing at happy families.
The very last thing that Llandaff needs.
Sady, Enoch, it is never about what the Diocese needs; it is always about what the Diocese has to put up with. Until parishes write to dear old Juno and tell her to stuff her Diocese and take their money with them, the dross will keep being appointed. She is not the only planker who cocks a snook at the people of God to do her own thing. When you think about it, the Archdeacon of the Gwent Valleys is another lesbian to replace the previous lesbian in the post. It appears that anyone with ambition in the Cult in Wales has to have deviant qualities to get anywhere these days. If someone made it known that they were into polyamory, incest and bestiality; that would be qualification enough to become an archplanker.
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Rumours abound that Caiaphas will be gone by Christmas.
DeleteIs it merely coincidence or do I smell a rat?
It took Janet Henderson just nine weeks to discover that -- Morgan the Malignant of Llys Ego had sold her a pup.
If the rumours of her unexpectedly early retirement prove to be true, Dick the Dean elect will only have five weeks to dig out the skeletons before she'll be gone and he'll be left holding the hot potato.
Richard is a very good appointment. A priest of deep prayer and integrity. He'll have much to offer the Diocese and I welcome his appointment.
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How does a complete hypocrite have integrity?
DeleteEnoch, it is the new order in the Cult in Wales.
DeleteTake everything that Christianity has represented for 2000 years, stand it on its head, ignore the Ecumenical Councils, abandon the 39 Articles of Religion, adopt every heretical teaching you can lay your hands on, and that is the new Cult in Wales. St Paul warned Timothy about it, and here it is. Hypocrisy is now integrity.
We shouldn't be surprised, really. The writing has been on the wall for a long time. The plankers walked away from Confirmation. They look down their noses at the traditionalist parishes who persist with Holy Communion, rather than have Cafe Church, or some other inane act which they call worship. My friend, Dai the Druid, will be very welcome in the Cult in Wales. Before long, the plankers will expect their adherents to hug oak trees, although other trees are available. I am sure that they are not far from having "naming ceremonies", rather than Holy Baptism. It is all about the drive for being "with it". Unfortunately, Jesus called us to faithfulness to him, rather than voguishness. This is obviously lost on the plankers, and their followers.
Seymour
You're too kind Seymour and thanks all the same but you're not much of a friend for wishing that shower of sh!!te on me.
DeleteI wouldn't wish the fools on the plank on anyone.
Except perhaps Vladimir Putin, Xi Jing Pi and Kim Jong Un.
Seymour, I don't accept that it's Vogueishness or pandering to politically correct Wokeism.
DeleteI believe it is far more sinister and entirely satanic for those charged with upholding the faith and growing the Church having taken Holy Orders and sworn sacred oaths to be doing the exact opposite.
At least the time during which Llandaff has to suffer Juno's jowls fixed in a greasy cheesy grin is coming to an end sooner than it might have.
Good riddance.
Dai, I wouldn't wish the plankers on anyone, but the situation is getting so bad in the Cult in Wales a Druid would be most welcome. In fact, compared to what else the Cult in Wales welcomes, a Druid would seem positively mundane. You wouldn't have to convert. You would only have to fill out a standing order form at the bank. The Archplanker would even come and bless your oak tree for you if you asked him nicely. It's a case with him of "Have aspergillum; will travel". Just don't let the Planker of St Asaph anywhere near your oak grove. One gulp and your favourite oak tree will disappear.
DeleteOne question though: whatever did Vladimir Putin, Xi Jing Ping and Kim Jong Un do to upset you that you would inflict the plankers on them? Whatever it was, it must have been bad.
Seymour
BFP, the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Los Angeles gave an interesting speech only a few weeks ago, where he claimed bishops' preponderance with chasing the zeitgeist is nothing more and nothing less than satanic. The plankers here in Wales think that it shows them as "hip and trendy" to pursue the spirit of the age. What they have done is to invite Satan into the very heart of Christ's flock, and as I have predicted all along, the end of the Church in Wales is in sight.
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Anything the chocolate teapot Randy Pandy has to offer is of no interest to me. I value my lovely Oak trees far too much and I wouldn't let him anywhere near them any more than I would my children.
DeleteHe's a blot on the landscape and would blight my Oaks.
By the way, we don't hug our Oaks, we just harvest the Mistletoe from them.
Dai, I thought you would have shown that oak tree of yours a bit of love, at least. You've painted a picture of yourself now which isn't very appealing. It's a case of "B*gger you, tree, I have got my mistletoe; see you next year!" If you gave it a hug now and again, had a little chat with it, and told it that it was your favourite oak tree, you might get a lot more mistletoe from it. That said, the men in white might cart you off to the funny farm too.
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Removing parasitic Mistletoe periodically IS looking after my Oaks thank you very much.
DeleteMy Oaks know the difference between being cared for properly and empty meaningless virtue-signalling posturing.
If you'd pruned the parasites from your Cult in Wales, then just maybe it wouldn't be rotting from the inside out and about to collapse.
Oh Dai, I'm sorry to hear you've got parasites, boy. Have you tried paraquat? That kills most things. If you breathed it in, it would probably kill you too.
ReplyDeleteAs for the parasitic infestation of the Cult in Wales, I think it is so bad that the only thing to cure it would be a can of petrol and a match.
Seymour
How about a good dowsing of Agent Orange?
DeleteI'd recommend a good dose on Llys Esgobette and Llys Ego just to start.
Failing that, we could try napalm.
ReplyDeleteSeymour
Now you're cooking with gas.
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