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| Mary Stallard with the Bishop of Bangor. Source: Llanblogger blogspot |
Nevertheless, the bishop of Bangor has felt the need for someone to share the leadership of the diocese while he serves as Archbishop of Wales.
Bishop John's choice of "one of the first women to become a priest in the Church in Wales", Mary Stallard, will go down well with the women's movement led by the discredited former archdeacon, Peggy Jackson with their distorted view of equality while others will view it as further evidence that the Church in Wales couldn't care less for those who believe that the ordination of women is not something to be decided by individual Churches wishing to do their own thing.
A leading supporter of women bishops, in 2008 when the Church in Wales rejected a Bill which would have allowed women to be ordained as bishops, Canon Mary Stallard said, "I think people respond very differently to men expressing unhappiness at doubts and upsets than women. Men have much greater access to playing on people’s heartstrings and I think we saw a really good example of that today."
Canon Jeremy Winston, the then vicar of Abergavenny, said that bishops had failed to give concrete assurance to those opposed to female bishops that they would be provided for.
He was correct of course. The Church in Wales used every trick in the book to admit women to the episcopacy with dire consequences as evidenced by the many comments on this blog.
The bench abdicated responsibility for the legislation giving feminists free rein. A meaningless code of practice was introduced followed by archdeacon Peggy Jackson's infamous attempt to deny ordination to anyone who, on grounds conscience, was unable to accept the ordination of women.
The vote followed the rejection of proposals which could have resulted in the appointment of a male bishop to minister sacramentally and pastorally to those who could not accept the unilateral ordination of women by the Church in Wales.
Speaking of his disappointment at the time archbishop Barry Morgan said, "Had we been willing as bishops to compromise and have an assistant bishop in the constitution to look after those who in conscience were opposed to the ordination of women, the Bill would have sailed through. But I think we would have compromised our principles. I think it would have been disastrous for the Church in Wales.
Ignoring the fact that other Churches had made such provision the reverse has proved to be true with attendance falling away towards unsustainable levels.
The Archbishop strongly argued against setting a precedent for appointing different bishops to cater for people with different opinions. He said, "When you are made a diocesan bishop you become the bishop of the whole diocese and everyone in it. Some will disagree with you on theological grounds. No matter. You have to be big enough as a diocesan to care and love for all those with whom you may be in profound disagreement. Anglican ecclesiology is about unity in diversity. It’s not a club of those who hold the same views on a particular subject."
The care and love Barry Morgan referred to has been lavished on LGBTQ+ people while faithful Anglicans who follow the path of the wider Church have been dumped with no pastoral care or sacramental provision whatsoever.
The Church in Wales has indeed been turned into a club for the like-minded, something the new archbishop will have plenty of time to reflect on while his assistant runs his diocese.
Postscript [29.01.2022]
Archbishop Chaplain (Internal Only)
The archbishop requires even more assistance - for him to do what?
"The essence of this role is to ensure that the Archbishop of Wales is free to exercise his ministry secure in the knowledge that robust systems and protocols are in place to ensure that he will always be well briefed whilst working to a demanding and sustainable schedule.
"Part 1 of Schedule 9 to the Equality Act 2010 applies to this appointment. This post carries an occupational requirement to be a practicing Christian and, preferably, a communicant member of the Church in Wales or a church in communion with it. The post is open to both ordained and lay applicants."
Location: Bangor , the role requires 'some travel in Wales and beyond, and occasional overnight stays'. The Salary: Grade F - £39,674 - £44,887 per annum
The mind boggles.
You must by now, know the road the Anglican Church is heading down. Why don't you just "vote with your feet" & leave - and join say the Ordinariate, where all these issues are 'no more'?
ReplyDeleteIf the present Pope has his way the Roman Catholic Church won't be very far behind the Church in Wales and the Church of England.
DeleteGreek Orthodox might be a better bet.
Or - as an alternative to The Ordinariate - there is GAFCON, or a growing number of bible-centred evangelical fellowships who avoid the issue by having no priests at all!
DeleteWhat am I missing? The Archbishop has created a new position, 'bishop to the Archbishop'. By what authority? The number of worshippers is at an all time low so why the need for a seventh bishop, particularly as Bishop David Thomas wasn't replaced when he retired.
ReplyDeleteThat works out at approx 2,000 worshippers per bishop.
The same has happened recently in England. New position, bishop to the Archbishops. A woman appointed to that post.
Cymraes yn Lloegr
An eccentric outcome of Bishop Harries's recommendations, which have been thoroughgoingly implemented at the parochial level so that entire former rural deaneries have been morphed into macro-parishes, is that the parallel suggestion that the number of discrete dioceses should be reduced has been entirely ignored.
DeleteAnd indeed the number of archdeacons and, now, bishops appears to be proliferating beyond what was thought necessary and useful when Welsh Anglicanism had a considerably higher number of adherents than is now the case. What does that say, I wonder? Jobs for the boys? And now girls, of course!
Don't forget that the Diocese of St Asaph has already had a female assistant bishop - the wife of Jeremy Duff head of St Padarn's. She is now Bishop of Lancaster. That made seven at the time.
DeleteThe appointment of Typhoid Mary by the chocolate teapot is the kiss of death.
ReplyDeleteAs Randy Pandy has admitted, he's powerless to intervene in any other Diocese so apart from the title of Archbishop, what additional duties require his attention?
It's jobs for the girls.
Once the two Bangor consecration take place next month the score will be Female Bishops 4 - Male Bishops 3. Will this make Wales the first Province in the Anglican Communion with more women bishops than men?
ReplyDeleteDavid Thomas doesn't get replaced.
ReplyDeleteBully boy --Bazza imports that dope Wilbourne and now the chocolate teapot has appointed typhoid Mary.
The inevitable demise of the Church in Wales hastens on and the sooner the better.
And also an advert for archbishop’s chaplain on a handsome salary. Job role: pray, read and write for the Archbishop and tell him what you’ve written and read and prayed about.
ReplyDeletePP. On thinking Anglicans, the noted appointment of an Asst Diocesan to Bangor. That, given the Monmouth Report, it gives His Grace, the time and capacity to act on those recommendations in the said report. Perhaps our "chocolate teapot" has finally seen some sense in his distance from the Llys Ego Cabal and actually going to act in changing things. Time will tell.
ReplyDeleteAs for Mary Stallard, why label her "Typhoid"? Mary has a good track record, if she has as it is understood to be, the same authority as the Bishop of Dover, the Diocese is in safe hands.
Perhaps a period of time, to see how His Grace acts in the coming months is worth waiting. But, if he becomes the "bunker basher" the Dark Lord was, then it's game set and match.
PP, if you seriously think the Diocese or the Church in Wales are in "safe hands" then God help us all.
DeleteCyanide Sue, carcrash Cathy and now typhoid Mary in Bangor.
DeletePeggy the Pilate and the coven in Llandaff.
Both dioceses undergoing extinction level events.
Enough said.
Fantastic appointment. Afraid Jeremy was of a bygone and quite elitist era. Those days have thankfully gone. Mary will be the people's bishop.
ReplyDeleteRuth
Once more, this comment is from a Troll and absolutely nothing to do with me.
DeleteThe imposter untRuthy seems to be back.
Yes I agree Ruth - a "fantastic" track record as in the use under fantasy. Please add below a list of anyone who has come to faith through her ministry and any churches she has helped grow.
DeleteJon
Why wasn't the post advertised?
DeleteAll female rabid feminist shortlist of one. Probably also a closet Cobynista.
DeleteMary to be in Purple, well be special appointment would be the only way Mrs Sully would achieve that Colour
DeletePP. I have faith in that the Church will survive under God's Grace.
ReplyDeleteIm perplexed in the "nick names" given to 3 women of Bangor:
Cyanide Sue - bad as she apparently was as Dean, leaves for Derby and appointed by HMQ to Dean of Liverpool, surely her record in CiW, would have influenced her rise and such an appointment out of reach?
"Car Crash Kathy" totally understand that name, given the extremely poor leadership at the Cathedral. Now, in a role that one hopes is better overseen.
"Cyanide Mary" I cannot see this as a fair assumption. Her previous AD roles and Parish ministry has many speaking highly. Her lectures, teaching for Lay leaders courses are really interesting, theological and balanced. I believe her episcopal rise, will be beneficial. I just hope she is allowed to sit on the bench, which a previous Assistant bishop (Llandaff) did not
The interesting move will be the appointment of a Dean of Bangor, even though a new regime beds in, it won't be long before a Dean appointment.
Has anyone noticed that in the AB Chaplain advertisement that it will only accept "internal candidates". Is a spouse of someone late of Llandaff in the frame?
I put my money on the current vicar of Christchurch, Roath Park.
DeleteOr a spouse of someone in Ty Esgob Bangor?
DeleteI would note that this is NOT an appointment within the CinW but also from churches in communion with it.
ReplyDeleteLet's get the facts right
Cymro
Hardly an issue when in reality there are so few churches in communion with the Cult in Wales.
DeleteRegarding AB chaplain, the ability to read and write fluently in Welsh being in the essential criteria effectively means internal to CiW.
DeleteWhamab.
How many of the remaining (approximate) 15,000 pew-sitters are even Welsh speaking in the Anglican Cult in Wales?
DeleteIt would hardly warrant a mention under the "Desirable" heading never mind "Essential".
Indeed. On a trip to Cardiff from Gwynedd a few years ago we went to a Sunday morning service at LLandaff Cathedral. On asking about Welsh language provision, we were told "I think there is a service in Welsh on Wednesdays"!
DeleteEnough.
DeleteTom
A "practicing" Christian? Presumably from America, if thus spelt.
ReplyDeleteEither that or just rehearsing the role.
DeleteYou note "Peggy Jackson's infamous attempt to deny ordination to anyone who ... was unable to accept the ordination of women".
ReplyDeleteThe motion was seconded by a gay former R.C. priest who (with his civil partner - also a former R.C priest) suddenly arrived in Bangor diocese - no adverts or job interviews, but they were immediately made the Director of Ordinands and a Ministry Area Leader.
Well - the news is - they are on their way to Llandaff!!!!!!
They're on their way to Monmouth Diocese not Llandaff, unless my understanding of the location of the Gwent Valleys is awry?
DeleteMap Reader
Apologies, Map Reader.
DeleteSo potential applicants for the role of archbishop's Chaplain don't even need to be ordained but can be a lay person.
ReplyDeleteOn a salary of £40k - £45k per annum.
Who's the Church in Wales officer responsible for "Value for money"?
There's no shortage of lucre in the Cult in Wales.
DeleteBut there's a dearth of Christians and reliable clergy to minister to them.
Just about all that is left are a handful of well-meaning hopefuls and a glut of deviants to lead the rest to Hell while Satan rejoices.
All Hail Barry Morgan.
I couldn't think of a more demoralising job being the ABW's chaplain. Does it come with regular psychotherapy as part of the package?
ReplyDeleteWHAMAB.
Another woman who refuses to trake her husnand's name appointed to high Office
ReplyDeletePlease tell me more. Why is this relevant QP?…
DeleteAnd in Spain the Woman keeps her name the man keeps his name and the child becomes doublebarrelled with a woman’s name at the end. That’s the right track screen was a catholic country. So last names really don’t matter
DeleteEsteban
Except nobody is discussing the Church in Spain!
DeleteLLANGWM ask Mrs Legg
DeleteHM the Queen didn't take her husband's name - why should she?
ReplyDeleteThey behave as if they believe they're all Royalty!
DeleteWe agree !
ReplyDeleteThose of us who are long-suffering in the Diocese of Bangor can see the predictable vindictive motivation in this that characterises most of Andy John's senior appointments.
ReplyDeleteMary Stallard (and her voluminous spouse) were exact contemporaries of the former part-time Dean of Bangor, Cathy 'Car Crash' Jones at the uber-Liberal Methodist/Anglican clergy finishing school in Birmingham. To say that both parties (as ambitious as they were ineffectual) were wary of each other is an understatement. Each seeking to outdo the other in climbing the greasy pole of ecclesiastical promotion.
It's hardly a state secret that Car Crash Cathy left Bangor after a major bust-up with Andy Crap. Accustaions of bullying around the Cathedral (a common trait in Deans of Bangor in recent years), coupled to idleness, incompetence and the sense that the Cathedral was hardly the beating heart of Anglican worship and witness at the centre of a university city (how could it be when she was spending so much time away from Bangor?) meant that, after being confronted with the evidence, she was encouraged to find another job. The spin was that she was returning to the ministry from which she came (hospital chaplaincy, with its set working hours, clear boundaries between work and home, and no inconveniences like having to take services after 5pm). The current Sub-Dean of Bangor ('Freddy Kreuger' to his friends) was, I am reliably informed, instrumental in campaigning for her removal. In short, she was given the boot. Whether the rumours of - yet another - NDA (as per Cyanide Sue) are true, I cannot say.
So... cut to the moment when Crap inherrited the archiepiscopal nomenclature, and the right to appoint an assistant. Who does he go for? That's right, someone whose appointment would most certainly cause precipitation on Car Crash Cathy's bonfire.
Whether Mary Stallard has the gifts and competency, let alone the calling, to be a Bishop will have been secondary to Crap. His insecurity always leads him to give that last malcontent to leave an extra stab in the back. Such a fine exampler of the Gospel that he is.
Clearly, the past rifts with the Lavatory Attendant (pace Cyanide Sue), and Crap's suspisions that Bob the Builder may not be the loyal sycophant he presents as being, meant that neither of them stood a chance. As the erstwhile Mrs John once confided to a parishioner on Ynys Mon, Andy finds it very easy to bear grudges. A pity the Church has to repeatedly suffer the consequences.
Be interesting to know who pays for the consecration service is it the diocese of Swansea and Brecon as you know it was happening because of there Bishop, or is this a Cost covered by the Province as a Whole,
ReplyDeleteas if it was the diocese of Swansea and Brecon it would explained why Randy Andy pandy held of so long before Consecration of the Sailor Bishop.
DWI
It’s a Provincial cost so the RB will pay.
DeleteCB
Some years ago, the Church in Wales did indeed have an Assistant Bishop. The Assistant Bishop was assisting the Archbishop of Wales and was a "Flying Bishop", flying, in theory, to all Dioceses in Wales to Confirm all Candidates for both Ordination and Confirmation, who could not within their conscious accept a Bishop who supported the Consecration of Women to the Office of Bishop. Of course, the one thing we all have in common is one day we will meet our Redeemer. After some (about 15) years H.Q. i.e. R.B.C.W. suggested most of those against had gone to meet our Redeemer and suggested the role be withdrawn. Given this new appointment, perhaps the Bench and RBCW got it wrong
ReplyDeleteDo remind us, please, QP.
DeleteWhen did the plankers, the Governing Body or the Representative Body last get anything right?
not Really Wrong cos the CIW or AB had between 2004 – 2009 David Yeoman who was Assistant Bishop of Llandaff and also Archdeacons of Morgannwg so the Archbishop use to have 2 Assistant Bishops
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