tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post941199165108770303..comments2024-03-28T09:17:03.940+00:00Comments on AncientBriton: Yr eglwys a'r Gymraeg: 'Dechreuad' ond mwy i'w wneudAncientBritonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12357913998344777403noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-88763836659068508232018-02-02T21:32:24.045+00:002018-02-02T21:32:24.045+00:00Yes Bob! Button it.Yes Bob! Button it.Enforcerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08943009288993021671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-24012404326980228932018-02-02T12:10:30.406+00:002018-02-02T12:10:30.406+00:00Interesting to see a number of Welsh vacancies and...Interesting to see a number of Welsh vacancies and resignations in the Church Times, for Wales, one diocese in particular. PP.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-43794440890910892752018-02-02T10:15:27.546+00:002018-02-02T10:15:27.546+00:00North Walians wail;English prevails: the choice of...North Walians wail;English prevails: the choice of the Welsh people.<br />Jack UnionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-71850968055414036032018-02-02T09:45:10.327+00:002018-02-02T09:45:10.327+00:00I'm not tarring anybody with anything - that w...I'm not tarring anybody with anything - that wouldn't be politically correct would it?<br />We all know some Parish Priests who are working their socks off and themselves into an early grave but we all know plenty who are doing very little and plenty of Parishes that are fortunate to see a member of the clergy once a month.<br />One of the mainstays of ministry at the coalface was knowing your flock and having the time to get around them, including the ones who lived in the are but didn't go to Church.<br />The Parish system had not, and has not, become outdated.<br />All that has changed is the ability, or rather the lack of it, of the Church in Wales to fill its vacant posts, thanks in no small part to the arch deceiver Barry Morgan and his ilk.<br />By all means speak as you find "Can't take much more" but then permit me to do likewise.<br />The experiences I described above are being endured by my housebound or hospitalised friends and family in different parts of the Llandaff diocese even as I write and it's nothing less than a complete bloody disgrace.Muddled Prioritiesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-66531676130604202092018-02-01T23:04:48.921+00:002018-02-01T23:04:48.921+00:00Stop drilling Bob. You are becoming a bore.Stop drilling Bob. You are becoming a bore.The Watchmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14171719226188625050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-90036042620962052592018-02-01T22:51:30.945+00:002018-02-01T22:51:30.945+00:00At least two RC Bishops in recent times became flu...At least two RC Bishops in recent times became fluent in the Welsh language Bob. Bishops Mullins and Reagan are held in the highest regard.The Watchmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14171719226188625050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-89591714389461139372018-02-01T18:13:55.081+00:002018-02-01T18:13:55.081+00:00Far more important to know the Gospels, I think.
B...Far more important to know the Gospels, I think.<br />BobAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-45268439731194149822018-02-01T17:50:46.607+00:002018-02-01T17:50:46.607+00:00It is quite absurd to suggest that there is a para...It is quite absurd to suggest that there is a parallel between minority languages spoken by immigrants (Chinese, Polish and the rest) and the native tongue of the Welsh people, even if it is spoken only by very few as their first language. In a barbaric age the Church has an important role as a guardian of civilisation - think of the so-called 'dark ages', which in an era dominated by uncultured demagogues such as the blond-wigged thug in the Washington White House seem to be returning with alarming velocity. Donald Allchin - a priest with not an ounce of Welsh blood in his veins - thought it worth his while to learn the language so as to get to know the complete corpus of Welsh religious poetry from the 13th century Black Book of Carmarthen to Euros Bowen and other contemporary writers, and through his books enriched the spirituality of a generation. Among the material he brought to the attention of a wider public were the hymns of Pantycelyn and Ann Griffiths, with their ecstatic language and deep theological insights - and without which we would be infinitely the poorer. Should we be happy with a Welsh Church led by bishops unable even to read these significant texts, let alone understand and expound them?Matthewhttp://googlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-77463858982420375272018-02-01T16:21:34.167+00:002018-02-01T16:21:34.167+00:00Exactly! Cardiff's RC community has long had o...Exactly! Cardiff's RC community has long had one or two Polish priests to minister to them. But not Polish for everyone. Must their bishops be Welsh speakers? I confess, I don't know.<br />RobAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-41603496697583189892018-02-01T16:04:08.662+00:002018-02-01T16:04:08.662+00:00Equal status for both languages thats the core emp...Equal status for both languages thats the core emphasis in Church law. But in our multicultural cities, do priests need polish, Lithuanian,urdu or manderin?As we do have expressions of congregations. Surely the most important aspect is that Jesus Christ be praised and the Gospel taught in whatever language is appropriate at the time in whatever setting Pondering Pastor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-49199484180370230372018-02-01T15:45:40.651+00:002018-02-01T15:45:40.651+00:00Bob, a word to the wise: stop digging. You're ...Bob, a word to the wise: stop digging. You're making yourself look completely ridiculous with every post. Richard Lewisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-51275097432891124292018-02-01T14:36:18.929+00:002018-02-01T14:36:18.929+00:00Muddled Priorities. Do not tar all the clergy wit...Muddled Priorities. Do not tar all the clergy with the same brush. Many visit the housebound faithfully and visit parishioners. Many ensure that the sick are visited in home and hospital and that the bereaved are cared for both before and after funerals. Look closer at those promoting their gimmicks in church. Food with everything, the ones shouting look at me and what I'm doing. Loyal , faithful hardworking clergy can be found all over but don't shout about it. They just get on quietly and diligently with what's needed. As I said at the beginning, don't tar them all with the same brush. Can't take much more.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-27511342893609763442018-02-01T14:33:34.568+00:002018-02-01T14:33:34.568+00:00'Go ye, therefore, and teach all nations, bapt...'Go ye, therefore, and teach all nations, baptising them' etc. using Welsh and other languages to do so, yet the language is not the Gospel: the Gospel is! That is where we differ.<br />BobAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-57831996113968223162018-02-01T13:50:37.319+00:002018-02-01T13:50:37.319+00:00I notice that a distinguished former cathedral Dea...I notice that a distinguished former cathedral Dean in the Church of England has been reflecting on this latest enquiry into how cathedrals are run. Spotting a loophole in the report's proposals, he asks: <br /><br />'If (God forbid!) a cathedral ever suffered under a mad, wicked or incompetent dean, who, in the absence of the council (for which this is one of its statutory functions), would petition the bishop to instigate a process for his or her removal?' <br /><br />There's a question for the Bishops of Bangor and Llandaff - as much as Liverpool!Iolo Gochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-26730701040883146872018-02-01T13:46:45.824+00:002018-02-01T13:46:45.824+00:00That sounds just like Peggy the Pilate in Llandaff...That sounds just like Peggy the Pilate in Llandaff.<br />Do the sisterhood attend the same finishing school?Harold Darkenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-70011485906053077262018-02-01T13:35:06.861+00:002018-02-01T13:35:06.861+00:00Those of us who sang in the choir will not quickly...Those of us who sang in the choir will not quickly forget her ugly and confrontational behaviour. She never could look you in the eye, and is adept at hiding behind her status. Bullying is unacceptable, but is usually a consequence of low self-esteem. She was very good at choosing her victims. She never attracted trust and respect simply because she seemed incapable of practising what she preached.Peter the Tenornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-5368445399742911162018-02-01T13:27:54.411+00:002018-02-01T13:27:54.411+00:00Poor Bob. He just doesn't get it. What 're...Poor Bob. He just doesn't get it. What 'reality' are we talking about? The ability to speak Welsh is part of faithfulness to the Gospel, especially in a society that afford equal status to both languages - and people do their business with God in Welsh as their most authentic means of self-expression. Cyanide Sue doesn't get that, either. The only alternative is a shameless imperialism that dictates cultural norms and where brute force wins every time. A far cry from 'adherence to the Gospel', Bob.Richard Lewisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-88126161926229499822018-02-01T13:10:06.371+00:002018-02-01T13:10:06.371+00:00@Bob & Plum
Your disagreement over the merits...@Bob & Plum<br /><br />Your disagreement over the merits or otherwise of Welsh are moot.<br /><br />The body of the Church in Wales is writhing in its death throes and gasping it's last breaths.<br />It is morally bankrupt and a complete irrelevance to over 99% of the Welsh population, regardless of their language preferences.<br />The faithful who now find themselves housebound don't receive visits or their Communion.<br />The faithful who find themselves in Hospital don't receive visits or their Communion.<br />Vast numbers of Churches don't even open just once a week for any Sunday services, never mind the offices of the day.<br />The Cathedral is crumbling but it's business as usual squandering £1000s on office supplies.<br /><br />But there's always money for new Penthouse offices, there's always money for Bishop's jollies to Rome and time and energy to argue over Welsh.<br />Muddled Prioritiesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-14696981964219675392018-02-01T10:54:28.481+00:002018-02-01T10:54:28.481+00:00I fear that few of you are facing reality. Welsh h...I fear that few of you are facing reality. Welsh has had its day as the language spoken by most people in Wales. You may wish it were otherwise, but that is the situation. Most Welsh people use English as their first and natural language.<br />Let those who wish to continue to speak Welsh do so, and let there be priests who do so also, but I fail to see that is an ESSENTIAL requirement for all the bishops of the Church in Wales. Adherence to the Christian Gospel is, however.<br />BobAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-85425495616834129882018-02-01T10:17:55.518+00:002018-02-01T10:17:55.518+00:00Hi Bob,
What? Like Pontcanna? Or any of the welsh...Hi Bob, <br />What? Like Pontcanna? Or any of the welsh medium schools where c.25% of our children are educated (the other 75% having to learn Welsh as a second language as part if the curriculum).<br />Again, as both languages are given equal status according to the constitution, it doesn’t really matter if you think we shouldn’t proclaim the Gospel in Welsh, in all parts of Wales, we are obliged to do so. The Anglican church in Wales has a long history of Welsh language provision dating back to 1567 when the BCP was translated into Welsh and again in 1664 (I think), when the 1662 BCP was translated into Welsh.<br /><br />Welsh language liturgy and it’s provision has been around for pretty much as long as Anglicanism has. Long may it continue throughout this land, especially if it is a medium for sharing the Gospel, our reason for being. <br /><br />Good day.Nom de plumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-6628573937031128862018-02-01T10:09:01.438+00:002018-02-01T10:09:01.438+00:00Thank you Danny.
As mentioned in the introduction...Thank you Danny. <br />As mentioned in the introduction, comments for publication should be 'on topic' and not involve third parties. 'Anonymous' comments without a pen name are not published.AncientBritonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12357913998344777403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-69993917766095513242018-02-01T09:56:43.622+00:002018-02-01T09:56:43.622+00:00Good of you to insist on linguistic ghettos, Bob. ...Good of you to insist on linguistic ghettos, Bob. I wonder where your idea came from? Warsaw, perhaps?Iolo Gochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-26243761065957495752018-02-01T09:54:48.606+00:002018-02-01T09:54:48.606+00:00Cyanide Sue in Liverpool. Well. Let's see. My ...Cyanide Sue in Liverpool. Well. Let's see. My instinct is to say 'sit back and watch the the whole bang shooting match go up in flames.' Someone with her pathology cannot play Ms Nice Gal for ever and ever (as she seems to have done in Derby for two-and-a-bit years - while doubtless doing her best to impress Mrs Bishop of Derby who is the Archbishop of Canterbury's Senior Appointments guru). How long before a young verger gets bullied, followed by the odd organist, not to mention a sweet old lady in the visits department. Just watch it happen. It won't take long.<br /><br />Meanwhile, I wonder if Andy Crap wrote her a positive reference for this job, like he did for Derby. He should watch out. He might survive one knife in the back. But two?Ken from Porthmadognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-46603147279724280502018-01-31T20:37:24.938+00:002018-01-31T20:37:24.938+00:00No Bangor Bugle, this happened recently. The wife ...No Bangor Bugle, this happened recently. The wife and four children have found a temporary home in the community they’d both moved to North Wales to serve. <br /><br />She was unceremoniously dumped by her husband and then shat on by her bishop, but the bishop’s wife got a part time job and a house.<br /><br />+Bangor should be ashamed of himself!<br /><br />Menai Drudge<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-84250129823455183652018-01-31T18:06:49.826+00:002018-01-31T18:06:49.826+00:00Of course, but in those areas where Welsh is the m...Of course, but in those areas where Welsh is the main language, not otherwise.<br /><br />BobAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com