tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post853167588576371116..comments2024-03-28T07:22:59.351+00:00Comments on AncientBriton: Second bestAncientBritonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12357913998344777403noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-66168451216034367362017-04-12T22:03:46.802+01:002017-04-12T22:03:46.802+01:00Afraid not old chum, I have to wash my hair.
But t...Afraid not old chum, I have to wash my hair.<br />But the Butcher's sounds like a fine idea.1662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-80190843616669538772017-04-12T18:52:49.173+01:002017-04-12T18:52:49.173+01:00OK. So the comments have gone off topic. Pete Wilc...OK. So the comments have gone off topic. Pete Wilcox's appointment tell us that Sheffield got second best. What on earth Llandaff will end up with is anyone's guess. Third best would be an improvement on what I suspect we are likely to get. Anyone going to tomorrow's Chrism Mass, which is +David Wilbourne's farewell to the Diocese, may pick up plenty of snippets in the Butcher's afterwards. Evans the Songnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-10241180873001660302017-04-11T19:34:59.266+01:002017-04-11T19:34:59.266+01:00To believe that a woman should not and cannot repr...To believe that a woman should not and cannot represent Christ at the altar is not synonymous with misogyny. By the same token to understand that the threefold ministry is open only to men has nothing to do with male privilege. It is associated with understanding the Christian Faith .Simple soulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06820918875811010809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-6713209655313909052017-04-11T13:57:11.142+01:002017-04-11T13:57:11.142+01:00Indeed, Christian Badger – “the difficult question...Indeed, Christian Badger – “the difficult question is how to disentangle homophobia from the legitimate position (with which I disagree) of opposing same sex marriage”. <br />When Jeffrey John was passed over for the Reading bishopric, same sex marriage was not on the statute books - that would come ten years later. Evenso, the Church authorities then, could not support his candidacy. So, what was at issue? Fear of opening the floodgates? Fear of incurring the wrath of one or other wing of the Church, should such support be forthcoming? Fear of personal attack? Expediency? We may guess, even if we may never know. What is clear, though, is that courage, within the hierarchy, was in short supply; decency and morality, even more scarce. The ethos that prevailed then (and Colin Slee’s account really should be read carefully, by all thinking Anglicans), remains today. It is simply that now, under guise of protestation against same sex marriage, it has a legitimate – but nonetheless, still shameful, cover. It is an issue that many should reflect upon as they consider, at leisure on Maundy Thursday, and in the safety of their liturgy, the betrayal of the cause of Jesus of Nazareth, and his championing of those whom religious society saw fit to condemn.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-14772937139741537702017-04-11T10:50:05.560+01:002017-04-11T10:50:05.560+01:00The church is indeed 'institutionally homophob...The church is indeed 'institutionally homophobic' (Celtacymru) but in this regard it only reflects society in general. Things are thankfully changing and we are slowly (oh so slowly) becoming the tolerant and forgiving society that Jesus embodies. The difficult question is how to disentangle homophobia from the legitimate position (with which I disagree) of opposing same sex marriage. Christian Badgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-86666023123022326742017-04-08T18:11:29.695+01:002017-04-08T18:11:29.695+01:00Colin Slee’s account http://changingattitude.org....Colin Slee’s account http://changingattitude.org.uk/campaigns/gay-bishops/3841-2 is startling. What on earth happens to these people when a mitre is put on their heads? ‘Was it for this the clay grew tall?'<br /><br />DismayedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-84204772068445900002017-04-08T16:28:08.296+01:002017-04-08T16:28:08.296+01:00@Whamab @Celtacymru Actually, both homophobia an...@Whamab @Celtacymru Actually, both homophobia and misogyny have a long and unhappy tradition in the Church, extending right back into the Old Testament itself. Either or both, may have been a factor in the Electoral College. But the articles cited by the Guardian and CeltaCymru, I agree, indicate the presence, if not the prevalence, of the former, in the C of E and in the Church in Wales.<br />From Watchword.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-4268528831163804572017-04-08T12:31:20.131+01:002017-04-08T12:31:20.131+01:00@celtacymru they voted like that because they didn...@celtacymru they voted like that because they didn't want a woman but you conveniently forget that and don't raise an objection.Whamabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15182160966074081164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-1732843410498521512017-04-08T09:53:43.287+01:002017-04-08T09:53:43.287+01:00We will never know why over a third of the Elector...We will never know why over a third of the Electoral College in Wales did not vote for JJ. They were all entitled to an opinion and obviously a great number preferred a different candidate. Picwicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-25145985195341985712017-04-08T09:32:25.076+01:002017-04-08T09:32:25.076+01:00Thank you for providing the link to the Guardian a...Thank you for providing the link to the Guardian article, ‘Gay Clergyman Passed Over Seven Times For Promotion To Bishop’. It is worth a read, as is the link it provides to Dean Colin Slee’s account of the episcopal selection process in the Church of England. It simply isn’t good enough for the senior bishop of the Church in Wales to say that Jeffrey John was not appointed because he did not secure the requisite two thirds majority in the Llandaff Electoral College. <br />It was why he did not attain the numbers required that is key here. <br />Like it or not, the Anglican Church in Wales and England is institutionally homophobic; small wonder that small numbers of clergy retreat into self-imposed ghettos of silence and the closet – it’s their only sure means of protection in this place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com