tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post7576474223086008847..comments2024-03-28T09:17:03.940+00:00Comments on AncientBriton: Taking stockAncientBritonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12357913998344777403noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-10189479219808564112018-04-11T10:45:54.832+01:002018-04-11T10:45:54.832+01:00Well said Whamb. It feels as though Parishes are i...Well said Whamb. It feels as though Parishes are in the way and the important thing is the top levels playing unelected politics, having endless meetings, coming up with policy and agendas. It's staggering that GB are discussing politics this week while Parishes wither. Ministry Areas could so easily have been about finding and using every person's gifts, rather than just ordaining anything that moves to keep the machine going down the one way root to extinction.<br />Thankfully God's faithful church will survive, just sad that it wont be the CiW. Danny Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03042779339886519385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-27793389406844533362018-04-10T10:33:26.477+01:002018-04-10T10:33:26.477+01:00Gerwhine and Mr Toad away again, no accounts, no n...Gerwhine and Mr Toad away again, no accounts, no nominations for Church Warden or PCC and certainly not the required 3 weeks notice of the EVM.<br />When will Caiaphas pull her thumb out, get off her backside and do something about the incompetent glove puppet?1662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-61216005205753374072018-04-10T09:07:18.434+01:002018-04-10T09:07:18.434+01:00There's a full page (14) of comedy to be seen ...There's a full page (14) of comedy to be seen in this months edition of The Bell.<br /><br />http://www.llandaffcathedral.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/BELL-Apr-2018-Final.pdf<br /><br />LLANDAFF CATHEDRAL STEWARDSHIP UPDATE<br /><br />"Llandaff Cathedral’s Stewardship campaign started in October 2017 and<br />has been running now for nearly 5 months. Our aim was, and still is, to fund<br />our aspirations for the development of Llandaff Cathedral and to increase<br />greater resilience in its structures and its ministry.<br />The Cathedral has made significant cost savings in the way it is run and<br />managed financially, but we need to build financial reserves in order to meet<br />our objectives. The Cathedral's witness and mission involves providing<br />opportunities for lay ministries of pastoral care, teaching and exploring faith, particularly among the younger members of our congregation. In addition to this objective, we strive to strengthen the music of the Cathedral, (such a vital part of our witness) and improving the visitor experience for the increasing numbers of tourists who are making Cardiff a leisure destination.<br />Since the start of the campaign, one in four people have either started to<br />donate via Gift Direct or have increased their existing donation via Gift Direct.<br />This is a positive start and has enabled Llandaff Cathedral to turn around a<br />£5,500 deficit in October 2017, to a small surplus at the end of December<br />2017.<br />The Stewardship Committee would like to all thank those who have reviewed<br />their giving as we would have been in a particularly dire financial position<br />without your help and support.<br />It is worth remembering that stewardship is not a one-off activity. Whilst we<br />have made progress, we are still some way from generating the additional<br />revenues we need to extend our mission and outreach. The new financial<br />year is fast approaching and we urge those who do not donate via Gift Direct<br />to take this opportunity to do so, and for those currently donating to review<br />their giving in-line with inflation.<br />The Stewardship Committee will broaden its campaign to look at maximising<br />donations from the many visitors the Cathedral gets during the year.<br />We give thanks to God for the generosity offered continuously by the many<br />people in their weekly and monthly giving. We hope our efforts will ensure<br />the Cathedral flourishes now and into the future.<br />Members of the Stewardship Committee are: Ian MacDonald, Mark<br />Edwards, Richard Inkin, Ben Jenkins, Willa King, Ben Staniforth}"<br />Cathedral Stewardship Committee<br /><br /><br />"we strive to strengthen the music of the Cathedral, (such a vital part of our witness)"?<br />Now you can pass the sick bucket around Enforcer.<br /><br />But look, what's this, ?<br />"This is a positive start and has enabled Llandaff Cathedral to turn around a<br />£5,500 deficit in October 2017, to a small surplus at the end of December<br />2017."<br /><br />Is that why there are no copies of Cathedral accounts available at the back of the building?<br /><br />Harold Darkenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-22384509056695798752018-04-10T04:27:24.489+01:002018-04-10T04:27:24.489+01:00In law the rules of domestic private clubs apply e...In law the rules of domestic private clubs apply even here within the context of an 'Easter Vestry'. To which area of public or charity law could it be pinned? As the man said "Welcome to the ecclesiastical banana republic of Wales" - "We continue as we please" (His Hon Michael Evans QC). Would you like the sick bucket Episkopos? Enforcerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08943009288993021671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-30826270063114412052018-04-09T22:53:51.776+01:002018-04-09T22:53:51.776+01:00The Llandaff accounts seem to be missing again thi...The Llandaff accounts seem to be missing again this year. Perhaps one has to be bothered to show up to the Easter Vestry meeting to be given a copy. Episkoposnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-43021777646004135412018-04-09T20:41:06.273+01:002018-04-09T20:41:06.273+01:00Thinking in purely business terms Danny, there are...Thinking in purely business terms Danny, there are more than enough Anglican clergy in the UK to fill these posts. Is it time now make the terms and conditions for these posts really attractive to draw clergy into Wales rather than the other way? The stipend is poor, holidays even worse and leads to a dependence on occasional office fees. This would take serious imagination and investment but why let parishes wither on the vine it merely becomes a maintenance pattern slowly spiralling into extinction?Whamabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15182160966074081164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-3350459331062216632018-04-09T16:12:31.384+01:002018-04-09T16:12:31.384+01:00Rent goes to the diocese! How crazily top heavy i...Rent goes to the diocese! How crazily top heavy it is that both Llandaff and Monmouth now have 3 archdeacons each....yet can't get Ministry Team Leaders!Danny Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03592288086188672163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-8626777769611180572018-04-09T15:47:16.449+01:002018-04-09T15:47:16.449+01:00As in politics... so in our now Bowdlerised, secul...As in politics... so in our now Bowdlerised, secular church........<br /><br />“...The genius of our ruling class is that it has kept a majority of the people from ever questioning the inequity of a system where most people drudge along paying heavy taxes for which they get nothing in return...”<br /><br />And we don't even get to see the accounts!<br />Dickenssianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06038387443102040337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-32662996605911228032018-04-09T13:51:38.228+01:002018-04-09T13:51:38.228+01:00Don, the quote to which you refer was taken from t...Don, the quote to which you refer was taken from the Christian Today article which, according to the quotation marks, was directly quoting the archbishop. You may wish to have a word with Mr Davies to express your concern.AncientBritonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12357913998344777403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-71978006401388194212018-04-09T13:15:52.391+01:002018-04-09T13:15:52.391+01:00@Ancient Briton 'those in authority need to co...@Ancient Briton 'those in authority need to consider carefully what they say.' Absolutely. Which is why, if you are going to quote Bishop David Jenkins on this influential blog, you should do so correctly. The resurrection 'is MUCH MORE than a conjuring trick with bones' is what he said - and this opens up the mystery and power of the resurrection to far greater exploration. I'm no fan of Shirley the dodgy former solicitor (and he's no theologian, that's for sure); but he does deserve some credit for trying to meet people half way who are not convinced by the predictable trotting-out of arid doctrinal certainty.Don Daviesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-44493963256971854962018-04-07T23:26:03.126+01:002018-04-07T23:26:03.126+01:00Expecting or hoping for a response from that dimwi...Expecting or hoping for a response from that dimwit Peggy the Pilate?<br />Don't hold your breath. <br />That's like expecting or hoping Diane Abbott will manage to get 2+2 to equal 4.Laughing Gasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-35124177464922861802018-04-07T11:23:56.887+01:002018-04-07T11:23:56.887+01:00PP, good idea. In passing did Cwmbran get either t...PP, good idea. In passing did Cwmbran get either the sale amount or rental for its empty Vicarages? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-46807122829523107892018-04-07T11:20:39.224+01:002018-04-07T11:20:39.224+01:00Seymour, I appreciate your view and accept the pic...Seymour, I appreciate your view and accept the picture. What I am saying is we are faced with leaders who make mistakes.<br />I have like you, over years heard many bishops have no problem with declaring their faith. Which has, does inspire congregations.<br /><br />What you are saying is, our Church faces demise largely due to episcopal failure to remain close to theological and pastoral insight, while managing the church.<br /><br />On your other point, you state the nub of the church's condition, which is for all to see, including myself.<br />The worry is when colleges are in session to elect a bishop, obviously, serious questions of the candidates does not take place. If we take the CofE model, cumbersome as it is, at least candidates are interviewed and scrutinized before an announcement. Whereas the flaw in Wales is we elect who we want, recent colleges and the Llandaff Jeffrey John debacle show this clear as day.<br />Accountability is the problem which has failed dioceses. The other aspect of accountability, in any large institute is, appraisal, does this even happen? Then there is mentoring, another contention. Do bishops designates attend any formal pre-responsibilities course as in England?<br />Then there are other appointments in England that follow similar lines, in particular Dean's and senior roles. <br />It is all well and good for us to voice our concerns but what is clear, the GB, fails to challenge and discipline its leaders.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-81460498697123413262018-04-07T10:23:21.458+01:002018-04-07T10:23:21.458+01:00It's my Aunt's Parish and I have been sayi...It's my Aunt's Parish and I have been saying the same but people have written to the Archdeacon with no response! I suppose they fear never having clergy if they fail to pay. <br />Crazy to put all your eggs in one basket as has happened with Ministry Areas. At least in most parts of England they have clergy in most Churches and it's all about doing joint mission. Danny Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03042779339886519385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-61008369593583499492018-04-07T08:53:31.597+01:002018-04-07T08:53:31.597+01:00PP, either you are being naïve or you are being de...PP, either you are being naïve or you are being deliberately obtuse. I would call it a mistake if a bishop left someone's name out of a report, or added up a few figures incorrectly. Not proclaiming the Faith of the Church is not a mistake, for a bishop, it is a dereliction of duty. I attended a memorial service in January when the Archbishop told the congregation in relation to the resurrection - "if that's what you want to believe". Many of my teaching colleagues at the time questioned whether he believed in the resurrection. His interview now answers that question. The current Archbishop seems to have a "pick and mix" approach to Christianity - as did the last one - and then people wonder why the Church in Wales is going down the pan. <br />Last Sunday on BBC 1, the Bishop of Sheffield had no problem standing in the pulpit and proclaiming the Easter Faith, and inviting people who felt that, like Peter, they had got it wrong, to reconnect with their baptismal vows.<br />If the Welsh bishops were politicians - and by God, they enjoy playing politics without submitting themselves to the electorate of this country - they wouldn't last long as leaders. Yet, by implication, what you are saying is that we should sit back, pay our dues, and let them get on with destroying the Church and destroying people's faith. And Jesus wept.<br />SeymourAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-84435467749313967262018-04-07T08:37:35.840+01:002018-04-07T08:37:35.840+01:00Why doesn't Cwmbran simply refuse to pay up if...Why doesn't Cwmbran simply refuse to pay up if they are getting nothing for their money in return?<br />Ruthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-28999713364733345022018-04-06T19:27:23.835+01:002018-04-06T19:27:23.835+01:00DMP Mission Areas are here to stay, despite the fa...DMP Mission Areas are here to stay, despite the failure rate and clergy exodus. Why the status quo with its growing list of failures, begs sound judgements. As for parish share, surely if there are no incumbents, empty, sold or in disrepair the share should significantly drop. Has anyone challenged.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-2685989174212988672018-04-06T19:17:28.489+01:002018-04-06T19:17:28.489+01:00PP. Bob, I was not trying to find or make light of...PP. Bob, I was not trying to find or make light of the Archbishop's comments, but the debate between faith and doubt remains. Newman did admit prior to his leaving Anglicanism that there is a fine line and he frequently waived. On his transfer to Roman, he also noted the lesser impact of his doubts, as he had found his security in the doctrine of Roman. <br /><br />I have studied his theology for some years and acknowledge his legacy.<br /><br /><br />Seymour, a bishop can make mistakes, taking him to task is the duty of the GB and may be they will, but probably not. But who knows.<br /><br />As for liberal bishops they have there place. Bishops of late have there own legacy and place in the Church. Some more than others, but fallible people they all are, as are the current bench.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-24177883703542638282018-04-06T16:52:31.417+01:002018-04-06T16:52:31.417+01:00PP, a bishop is supposedly the focus for unity in ...PP, a bishop is supposedly the focus for unity in the diocese. A bishop is also called to be the guardian of Faith and morals. Bishops are not given the luxury of being the guardians of their own personal faith - they are expected to be guardians of the Faith delivered once and for all to the saints of old. When quizzed by a journalist about the empty tomb, the archbishop should have had no qualms in stating God raised Christ. How he did it I don't know and I wasn't there, but I firmly believe he did, and I am a Christian because of it. <br />The reason that the Church is in the parlous state it is is because we have had far too many woolly liberal bishops who don't know what they believe or what they are supposed to believe. If you stand for nothing, you fall for everything. Satan has never had it so easy. Rather than cutting him some slack, I think the Governing Body of the CIW should be calling him to account next week for bringing the CIW into disrepute. But then pigs might fly first!<br />SeymourAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-78517212020404431782018-04-06T16:23:43.396+01:002018-04-06T16:23:43.396+01:00Meanwhile....Cwmbran has gone from 5 full time cle...Meanwhile....Cwmbran has gone from 5 full time clergy to a ministry area with no paid clergy since August....a roaring success hey? 5 churches and a CiW school.......but the parish share has remained at over £120K per year.......But at least the governing body will be debating politics soon, that will really help this crisis and grow the Church!Danny Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03592288086188672163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-44423174835426751872018-04-06T12:44:21.209+01:002018-04-06T12:44:21.209+01:00The last lost was written by me, Bob.The last lost was written by me, Bob.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-63220176353779644222018-04-06T12:35:57.178+01:002018-04-06T12:35:57.178+01:00A nice attempt to wriggle out of my challenge. I h...A nice attempt to wriggle out of my challenge. I have most of Newman's major works, and am at present rereading his 'Grammar of Assent'. I fear that you do not do justice to his immense, relentless faith. I will go so far as to claim that it will be impossible for you to find in his writings support for the archbishop of Wales' wobbling on bodily resurrection. Sorry, but there is indeed a line between faith and doubt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-49251977499629547952018-04-06T09:44:38.097+01:002018-04-06T09:44:38.097+01:00Bob, having studied at Masters level the Oxford Mo...Bob, having studied at Masters level the Oxford Movement,I disagree. You have not understand my comments at all. I was speaking of the fine line between faith and doubt, which included the physical resurrection debate Newman spoke of his journey of faith, which seared between faith and doubt. Ask any academic who has studied the rise of the Oxford Movement. If you look a Newman's faith journey you will find careful scholarly reasoning in this subject. Even some of his darker prose reveals the threads of faith and doubt.<br />I certainly was not misleading anyone, simply making a point of fact. Which is clear in my comments, where I cite Newman among others.<br /> In this blog, it is so easy to misunderstand some comments, but at no point was I seeking to mislead.<br /><br />Unfortunately, the comments of ++John have been misunderstood and the consequences are for all to see. The tenet of his sermon and the press article were simply saying, can we really know the truth of the bodily resurrection? Its a matter of a personal faith which sometimes wavers between faith and doubt, but the awesomeness of Easter remains, which cannot be put adequately into words or explained. PP.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-14627509123876166872018-04-06T08:48:51.481+01:002018-04-06T08:48:51.481+01:00https://jobs.churchtimes.co.uk/jobs/Team-Vicar-in-...https://jobs.churchtimes.co.uk/jobs/Team-Vicar-in-Wales-jn5963<br /><br />Team Vicar<br />Pontypridd<br />Contract: Permanent<br />Location: Wales<br />Recruiter: Llandaff Diocese<br />Recruiter logoRef: JN005963<br />Job Description for the Ministry Area of PONTYPRIDD<br /><br />We are looking for a priest colleague to share in the leadership of this innovative and diverse parish who will be<br />. a rooted and visible presence in the communities of Ynysybwl and Hopkinstown/Trehafod<br />. committed to being a pastor to two churches and to exploring and leading mission activities in the wider Ministry Area<br />. deeply committed to collaborative working with the clergy and people of the Ministry Area<br />. comfortable with a wide range of styles of worship while rooted in traditional Anglicanism<br />For more information or an informal chat, call<br />The Revd Michael Gable<br />Email: michaeldgable@gmail.com<br />Tel: 01443 650336 • 07561 313199<br />The Ven Christopher Smith<br />Email: Archdeacon.morgannwg@churchinwales.org.uk<br />Tel: 01685 378455<br /><br />Application Form available from:<br />Bishop’s Office, Llys Esgob, Cathedral Green<br />Llandaff, Cardiff, CF5 2YE<br />Closing date for applications: 25 April 2018<br /><br />This post is subject to a DBS Enhanced Disclosure<br /><br /><br />"comfortable with a wide range of styles of worship while rooted in traditional Anglicanism" ?<br />The Bishopette's office will be deluged by the sackfuls of applications flooding in.<br />Not.1662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-57708684182952946492018-04-05T22:34:53.493+01:002018-04-05T22:34:53.493+01:00Anonymous: I knew that you would be unable to quit...Anonymous: I knew that you would be unable to quite Newman as favouring disbelief in the Lord's bodily resurrection.<br />You must be more careful and not mislead.<br />BobAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com