tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post5881578078997483213..comments2024-03-28T09:17:03.940+00:00Comments on AncientBriton: Statistics of OmissionAncientBritonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12357913998344777403noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-53163687578714914282015-07-17T11:52:16.176+01:002015-07-17T11:52:16.176+01:00What about the University Anglican Chaplaincy / Ch...What about the University Anglican Chaplaincy / Church Hostel, a place once dear to ++Bazza, the latest in the list of casualties in Bangor diocese?<br /><br />Ted Horsely<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-82503120571657202532015-07-15T10:49:30.299+01:002015-07-15T10:49:30.299+01:00The situation in Bangor Cathedral is, frankly, pat...The situation in Bangor Cathedral is, frankly, pathetic. After bullying her episcopal poodle to stuff the place with clergy and close down St David's Glanadda (where the previous Archdeacon of Bangor had doubled the congregation) and St Mary's, Cyanide Sue clears off to the Peak District, leaving the Cathedral in a state of total dysfunction. We're rapidly approaching the deadline for applications for the post of Dean to be in. A fiver says that the only one is from Robert-the-greasy-pole-climbing-Townsend. <br /><br />May be Bangor and Llandaff Cathedrals should enter into some kind of twinning arrangement so they can pool their ignorance and go down the plughole hand in hand?Gareth Pnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-32735390441053591062015-07-15T10:48:29.123+01:002015-07-15T10:48:29.123+01:00Dwindling indeed. Even more noticeable is the numb...Dwindling indeed. Even more noticeable is the number unwilling to greet the clergy at the end of the service. How awkward it must waiting for the people to kiss your hand ... and so few come!Spinning wheelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-57556960195653948062015-07-14T18:20:31.374+01:002015-07-14T18:20:31.374+01:00Another dwindling congregation can be found in Ban...Another dwindling congregation can be found in Bangor Cathedral, despite claims to the contrary in recent sermons. <br /><br />Not only has the Archdeacon of Bangor shut two city churches his heavy handedness is rapidly pushing people out of the cathedral too.Superficial Healingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-16826963805333773832015-07-14T12:26:51.374+01:002015-07-14T12:26:51.374+01:00Perhaps Barry's friend, BBC News Reader Hugh E...Perhaps Barry's friend, BBC News Reader Hugh Edwards , might have been an adviser? <br /> Enforcerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08943009288993021671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-7216553241809101732015-07-14T12:11:43.643+01:002015-07-14T12:11:43.643+01:00Simple Soul, there's precious little that goes...Simple Soul, there's precious little that goes on in Bazzaland that has anything to do with Christianity!<br />1662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-48910234163528831672015-07-14T11:30:33.425+01:002015-07-14T11:30:33.425+01:00To be fair, this is not comparing like with like. ...To be fair, this is not comparing like with like. The (Arch)Diocese of Westminster is Roman Catholic for one thing. Second, like the Orthodox churches in London and the main British conurbations, Roman Catholicism is benefiting from inward migration - especially from Eastern Europe and Africa. If those figures were whittled down to just native British Mass-goers, I suspect they would tell a different story. None of this lets Byzantine Barry off the hook, of course. The Welsh statistics are an abysmal reflection of his self-interested grip on power to the detriment of the well-being of the whole Province. Let's hope he doesn't even make it to his big farewell bash at The House in Oxford next year. How long, O Lord; how long?Llandaff Pelicannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-7420205403571453722015-07-14T11:23:39.327+01:002015-07-14T11:23:39.327+01:00Gabriel - cannot detect much of an association wit...Gabriel - cannot detect much of an association with Christianity there?Simple soulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06820918875811010809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-36344978767698738832015-07-14T11:09:41.456+01:002015-07-14T11:09:41.456+01:00One Archdeacon had the cheek to declare that too m...One Archdeacon had the cheek to declare that too many retired priests of the Church in Wales were living far too long, were an unwanted burden and should do the the CinW a favour by dying as soon as possible.<br />However, the aforementioned Archdeacon's own retirement seems to be stretching on and on and on......Gabrielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-64023037191257877832015-07-14T07:53:59.890+01:002015-07-14T07:53:59.890+01:00As an aid to your readers and comparing with the D...As an aid to your readers and comparing with the Diocese of Westminster, the average adult Sunday attendance in Wales is 31,048. <br />7 bishops (233% more than Westminster Diocese.). <br />Average attendance per bishop 4,435<br /><br />From the 2015 Westminster Yearbook: <br />Average Sunday Mass attendance for the Diocese 149,933. (483% more than Wales) One Archbishop and two bishops. <br />Average per bishop 49,978. (1127% more than Wales.)<br /><br />Comparing like with like? Don't you just love statistics!<br /><br />Joseph GolightlyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-59398759769059904272015-07-13T15:33:36.209+01:002015-07-13T15:33:36.209+01:00Is there anyone left that would want to?
Long ago ...Is there anyone left that would want to?<br />Long ago I reached the conclusion that the best thing to do was stop my giving and let bully boy Bazza's toxic regime collapse in on itself as quickly as possible.<br />Once that has happened and Bazza, his coven of the unholy trinity and their ilk have long departed to leech from some other poor b*stards, then those of us who are left standing can come in, pick up the pieces and get on with God's work.1662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-27557746325462674962015-07-13T15:02:28.998+01:002015-07-13T15:02:28.998+01:00I think to be fair, the organ's role in the ca...I think to be fair, the organ's role in the cathedral may have been more dictated by tradition and CADW rather than modern acoustic considerations. It's been my experience in the CoE that organs (especially the pipework) were usually installed/put/shoved anywhere in the church they'd fit, or where the donor thought they'd make a good show. The best installations I've seen (and played) are where the console *and* mechanism were within myopic eyeline and earshot of the choir - usually adjacent to the choir stalls. Where the console and the mechanism are separated, the more the distance and the more you're playing the building rather than the instrument. Sound travels at 343 m/s, so you can get some quite interesting effects in large spaces once you factor in reflections, reinforcements and cancellations. We used to observe with interest in my parish church at weddings the point at which a processing choir would synch up with the organ. Our point of observation was the open ringing chamber (yes - a bell-ringer - get over it) which was more or less half way between the organ and choir entry point. As for the intonation; that doesn't normally happen unless one or other of the choir or organ was moving apart - the Doppler effect.Quis Custodiethttp://www.a.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-52528952039853283522015-07-13T14:16:10.099+01:002015-07-13T14:16:10.099+01:00I appreciate that all we are told is that Jesus sa...I appreciate that all we are told is that Jesus said "do this in remembrance of me".<br />As with all the teachings of Jesus ,we look to the guidance of the Holy Spirit to enhance our understanding. As with everything in life ,we do not expect children to undertake and take part in tasks without some depth of understanding.<br />At a Mass or Eucharist we are taking part,I trust, with a shared focus of understanding of what we are doing. For my part ,in order to share in the Eucharistic celebration I look to the Eucharistic Minister (as well as the Priest ) to know we are of a common mind.<br />Children should firstly be taught and encouraged to grow spiritually as we all strive to increase the depth of meaning and understanding of this wonderful Sacrament.<br />We shall need to be cautious in lining up children ,who have not yet been given the grace to commence their understanding of this profound act in administering the consecrated elements ; such development risks subordinating the Sacrament. Simple soulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06820918875811010809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-35360008208932592532015-07-13T13:31:52.883+01:002015-07-13T13:31:52.883+01:00So let me get this right. The organ in Llanduff is...So let me get this right. The organ in Llanduff is exactly that - duff. Are we going to discover next that the design was drawn-up and the scheme approved without any external advice from an organist of repute? I would never want to say that an organ in a church was ever a waste of money. But, heck, this one looks as if it is. All that property sold to pay off the debt, too. Who is going to be held to account for this? Falling attendances, falling income, falling pension pots. It's turning into quite a saga, isn't it?Evans the Songnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-34404033927384123102015-07-13T12:56:29.698+01:002015-07-13T12:56:29.698+01:00Simple Soul, the present Captain has a history of ...Simple Soul, the present Captain has a history of blaming others and not himself for wreckage.Soon, (like the rats), he will be gone. Enforcerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08943009288993021671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-78098432988780824352015-07-13T12:49:03.804+01:002015-07-13T12:49:03.804+01:00Well thought.Well thought.Enforcerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08943009288993021671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-81207668278816732922015-07-13T11:59:48.328+01:002015-07-13T11:59:48.328+01:00A fair point Llandaff Pelican. I have often felt u...A fair point Llandaff Pelican. I have often felt uncomfortable at the Altar when children are passed over with a 'Bless you' but the point I was trying to make was using what Jesus did not say as justification for policies for change where the possibilities are endless. <br />Having said that I am with the Liturgical Commission. Among concerns they cited was that “Children often lack the skills of co-ordination required to go through the tricky tasks of administering a chalice and this could lead to spillages and vessels being dropped."AncientBritonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12357913998344777403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-53400687316504117252015-07-13T10:42:46.252+01:002015-07-13T10:42:46.252+01:00Rarely do I take issue with AB, but I think a touc...Rarely do I take issue with AB, but I think a touch of theological nuance is called for in your post-script about children being authorised to distribute communion. For Roman Catholics, Orthodox -and Anglicans - baptism is the rite of entry into the full sacramental life of the Church. The RC and Orthodox admit children to communion before confirmation (in the case of the Orthodox from the moment of baptism). So the proposal to authorise children (who have themselves been admitted to receive communion) to distribute it seems logical. Many Roman Catholics, who are life-long communicants, have never, in fact, been confirmed. Historically, Confirmation never was necessary for the reception of communion: it is only in recent Anglican history (well after the Reformation) that it became so in the Church of England. We tend to forget how recent a development it is against the backdrop of Christian history. I hope it's helpful to draw-out the distinctions.Llandaff Pelicannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-20465727302006984682015-07-13T07:33:12.814+01:002015-07-13T07:33:12.814+01:00Apologies if this is off-thread, but given its cov...Apologies if this is off-thread, but given its coverage in a previous one, I thought you should have a report on yesterday's proceedings in Llandaff with Exeter Cathedral Choir. After rip-roaring concerts in Swansea and Eglwys Dewi Sant, Cardiff, the choir came to Llandaff on Sunday morning. There were more people there than usual (mainly choir supporters). The nave seating was (just) two-thirds full. David Davies, the Sub-Organist of Exeter, made the organ sound like a completely different instrument. However, a few of us were bewildered by the girls sounding slightly flat throughout - especially after we had heard them sing so spectacularly in the previous two days. Answer: they were having difficulty hearing and pitching to the organ. According to the eminent Professor Davies, there is a fundamental flaw in the design of the organ. Too little consideration was given to its role as an accompanying instrument. The acoustics of the Cathedral, coupled to the design of the instrument, means that it is not doing the job it is supposed to do. <br /><br />Well done to everyone involved!FRCOnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-63414594970133595242015-07-12T22:58:35.964+01:002015-07-12T22:58:35.964+01:00Is there anyone in the pot who can turn the Church...Is there anyone in the pot who can turn the Church in Wales around?<br />The ship is sinking?Simple soulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06820918875811010809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-79368366805092813522015-07-12T21:03:58.179+01:002015-07-12T21:03:58.179+01:00Thank you John. I have added your blog to my blog ...Thank you John. I have added your blog to my blog list in the right hand column.AncientBritonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12357913998344777403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-72486093989107358432015-07-12T20:58:31.910+01:002015-07-12T20:58:31.910+01:00Not exactly what you are looking for Number Crunch...Not exactly what you are looking for Number Cruncher but you may find this old analysis interesting:<br />http://www.arthurrankcentre.org.uk/lfirc/item/8207- <br />AncientBritonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12357913998344777403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-83854622724078572312015-07-12T17:38:53.116+01:002015-07-12T17:38:53.116+01:00Enforcer has gone to the heart of the issue. Despi...Enforcer has gone to the heart of the issue. Despite all the bilge about compassion and forgiveness (and the 'God of Jesus' this and the 'God of Jesus' that) Barry Morgan is, basically, a grudge-bearer par excellence. He is threatened by the talent, intelligence and vision of those more able than he is. He cannot bear to be challenged. The only bishop who has ever had two big enough to tell him where to go was Tony Crockett. When Tony died, Barry Morgan colluded, connived and conspired with the low-lifers of Bangor Diocese to ensure we had a spineless sycophant imposed on us. The disaster which has unfolded is comprehensively discussed on the previous thread. Meanwhile, if it is 28,000 and falling, a lot of people can kiss goodbye to that pension.Beleaguered of Bangornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-4229669473189085682015-07-12T16:06:22.529+01:002015-07-12T16:06:22.529+01:00It is just as well Ancient Briton did not carry ou...It is just as well Ancient Briton did not carry out a comparison on Christian Theology, preaching and intellect.<br />His ++Irrelevance would not have made it onto the graph paper.1662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-66092688217125613242015-07-12T00:24:25.378+01:002015-07-12T00:24:25.378+01:00Two points need to be noted from this your recent ...Two points need to be noted from this your recent blog Ancient Briton, for future interest. <br /><br />First, the idea of too many Welsh bishops and diocesan boundaries had already been brought to the attention of Barry (Bangor) in 1994- 95 by the former Rector of Benllech. His 'Irrelevance' was not too impressed that this incumbent had the nerve to stand up and question his bishops view on mission areas, clergy pensions and the cost of running 39 Cathedral Road. Copies of correspondence, now available within the public domain, between Williams and the Provincial Board of Finance, prove the level of threat Rector Clifford Williams was considered to be by Barry and the PBF Chairman His Honour Michael Evans QC. Within less than 2 years he was stitched up with and adultery allegation and deposed by the infamous Provincial Kangaroo Court in 1997 of which its President (Judge / Chairman) was none other than Michael Evans himself.<br /><br />Secondly, Ancient Briton, Barry is not Archbishop of Wales. He is the 'Archbishop of the Church in Wales' and its members, or, according to private domestic law, his own club. The title 'Archbishop of Wales' is a myth, invented by, and, for an institution with an over enlarged ego. Enforcerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08943009288993021671noreply@blogger.com