tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post2833573511510772781..comments2024-03-28T09:17:03.940+00:00Comments on AncientBriton: Today Maerdy, tomorrow Cardiff? The Church in Wales is unravelling but the bishops are safeAncientBritonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12357913998344777403noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-6663390659306830272012-08-04T07:30:34.805+01:002012-08-04T07:30:34.805+01:00My dear friends, this so called review is nothing ...My dear friends, this so called review is nothing new. The deposed Rector of Benllech offered the same in 1994, as did Harris. The points which Lord Harris suggests were given to the Provincial Finance Board for discussion. Their reply was that 'This would be the end of the Church in Wales as we know it'.<br /><br />The only difference in the Clifford Williams plan was that since Barry boy claimed that there should be less clerics in future , Williams pointed out that the Catholic Church in Wales managed with two bishops. It also pointed out that 39 Cathedral Road had cost more in salary for 94 than the whole diocese of Bangor. As this blog points out, Lord Harris does not touch the hierachy. They remain dressed in their fine linen. so it appears. The Harris review is hypocritical not radical.<br /><br />And theres more! The parish of Benllech called Barry's bluff in 1994. They offered to opt out financially, (like Irleand) from the Representative Body and fund their own ministry which would have been far less than the quota paid to the fat cats of Cathedral Road. The documents which prove all this are already in the public domain. <br /><br />The Church in Wales turned the plan down and set to work the wheels which would, (in their minds) silence the former Rector of Benllech. Some hope! <br /><br />If I were Barry I'd take a long walk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-77049836621033459262012-08-03T16:06:33.050+01:002012-08-03T16:06:33.050+01:00Joseph, what is published is the reality of the si...Joseph, what is published is the reality of the situation based on evidence in the public domain and what I hear from (mainly disillusioned) church members.<br /><br />All Saints, Maerdy will probably be the next redundant church to be added to the fifteen currently offered for sale on the Church in Wales list - http://www.churchinwales.org.uk/resources/property/<br /><br />Looking from the outside the position is dire based on an independent review which found that "The Church in Wales faces terminal decline without some radical re-thinking -<br />http://www.christiantoday.com/article/church.in.wales.unveils.major.overhaul/30316.htm<br /><br />Announcing the Review Archbishop Morgan said: “In commissioning such a review, we will all have to be prepared to take seriously its findings and to be open to the possibility of significant change in our structures, ministry, use of buildings and other resources if it is seen to be in the best interests of the church and its mission to the people and communities of Wales as we look ahead to the next decade. We believe as a Bench and Standing Committee, that a combination of our own insights, those of GB Members and those from this Group, will help us become the kind of Church God wants us to become.” -<br />http://www.churchinwales.org.uk/press/display_press_release.php?prid=5124<br /><br />From a Universal Church perspective, or just within the Anglican Communion, the Church in Wales and even the Church of England are bit players yet Dr Morgan felt able to claim that this is the kind of Church "God wants us to become", the same attitude that claims the work of the Holy Spirit for liberalism and the work of the devil for tradition.<br /><br />While the shepherds are assured of their future their flock faces uncertainty other than the need to keep giving. As one parishioner in Maerdy observed, they were struggling simply to survive but they still had a letter from Llandaff Cathedral asking for a contribution their £1.5 million cathedral organ fund. - There's mission to the people and communities of Wales for you!AncientBritonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12357913998344777403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-64702798326079947282012-08-03T08:36:28.734+01:002012-08-03T08:36:28.734+01:00Fantasy, uh? From the Llandaff Diocesan Stewardsh...Fantasy, uh? From the Llandaff Diocesan Stewardship Advisor, (Governing Body September 2011), “So often in the Church (in Wales) we move from one half-baked initiative to another, often at great financial cost with little or no thought at measuring outcomes and the difference we make, and learning lessons for future strategy and work… We have experienced an alarming rate of decline in average attendance, and that is clearly undermining our ability to perform financially particularly at a parish level… Large numbers of parishes are having to dip into diminishing reserves to make ends meet.”Merddyn Llewellynnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-75797347058220283142012-08-02T22:32:18.294+01:002012-08-02T22:32:18.294+01:00'Nowhere is it written that a parish may excom...'Nowhere is it written that a parish may excommunicate its bishop... ...nor is it biblical. It is a toxic novelty.' (Clifford Longley, the Tablet 14 July 2012) And an assistant bishop who presides at Margam Abbey on Easter Day doesn't strike me as having his ministry restricted to sycophantic liberals with a feminist bent. <br /><br />And where is it written that bishops are called to be managers? It seems you have been infected by the very modernism that you claim to decry.Trad Anglicannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-4329501397034657682012-08-02T22:25:17.027+01:002012-08-02T22:25:17.027+01:00No, of course it isn't. It just suits the fant...No, of course it isn't. It just suits the fantasy of these guys who like to whisper caustic criticism from their anonymous wings but would never survive a minute centre-stage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-42627790603763867972012-08-02T20:45:08.497+01:002012-08-02T20:45:08.497+01:00Yes Joseph it is completely and utterly broke. Th...Yes Joseph it is completely and utterly broke. The sad thing is that the illustrious Bench of Bishops have made careers out embracing every trendy fad and fancy over the past few decades, at the expense of promoting the Gospel message amongst the people of God, and the result is the destruction of the Church in Wales. However, looking at the Church in Wales Review it would seem that the so-called, self-styled, senior management of the Church in Wales take no responsibility for the mess they have managed. In any other walk of life a senior management team presented with such a damning review of their incompetence would resign in shame. If there was any honour, humility and sense of responsibility then all seven bishops in the Church in Wales would go. It stretches credulity to breaking point to know that the archbishop who has rung the death knell for the Church in Wales has some how been appointed to the commission to select the next Archbishop of Canterbury.Merddyn Llewellynnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-21353726998690295692012-08-02T20:02:42.654+01:002012-08-02T20:02:42.654+01:00Is it really as awful as this blog seems to be tel...Is it really as awful as this blog seems to be telling us. Is the Church in Wales broke?Joseph Golightlynoreply@blogger.com