tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post9120529607301326349..comments2024-03-28T09:17:03.940+00:00Comments on AncientBriton: More embarrassing questions for the Archbishop of WalesAncientBritonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12357913998344777403noreply@blogger.comBlogger110125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-42312051282426758852014-05-06T10:17:57.734+01:002014-05-06T10:17:57.734+01:00As Peter Morrell has highlighted my post as the &#...As Peter Morrell has highlighted my post as the 'anonymous' source of 'unfounded allegations' about his wife, perhaps I might be allowed to say that I was - and still am - highlighting a fact stated by the findings of the Press Complaints Commission and conversations I have had with journalists who know they have been lied to. For example, what did Anna Morrell tell Martin Shipton when he put it to her that two figures in the 2008/09 Church in Wales accounts were the pay-offs for Carl Cooper and Mandy Williams-Potter? I think it is regrettable that the bullying tactics of Byzantine Barry have been employed here in an attempt to have legitimate concerns removed (echoes of Llandaffchester Chronicles...?). As an employee of the Church in Wales (whose post is funded by mugs like me who put money on the collection every Sunday) Anna Morrell's actions are a cause for legitimate concern and, if what I am saying is unfounded or untrue, need to be investigated. This is how Anna Morrell will be completely exonerated - not by getting her husband to make thinly veiled threats of legal action. In view of this, I will pass what evidence I have to the BBC and to John Shirley, the Provincial Secretary of the Church in Wales.Llandaff Pelicannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-12627995311539518042014-05-05T21:18:08.178+01:002014-05-05T21:18:08.178+01:00There may be some confusion here because of the de...There may be some confusion here because of the delay in posting some comments. <br />Peter Morrell has made his position clear. Whether readers agree with his conclusions or not his decision must be respected. Thanks.AncientBritonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12357913998344777403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-86142157206601013202014-05-05T20:59:52.402+01:002014-05-05T20:59:52.402+01:00Peter: I am not calling for your wife to be sacked...Peter: I am not calling for your wife to be sacked, and I too deplore unfounded allegations.<br />I am merely asking for you to clarify a point. As you are married to Anna, you are in a good place to provide the clarification.the observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-66126230846223972492014-05-05T19:37:07.775+01:002014-05-05T19:37:07.775+01:00Peter, you refer to "unfounded allegations&qu...Peter, you refer to "unfounded allegations".<br />I agree with you that unfounded allegations have no place here and it is only right and proper that you should defend yourself.<br /><br />But what about the press statement published by The Western Mail on 25th April 2013 and the deceits identified (and supported with independent evidence) on this thread by 'Urban' on May 2, 2014 at 9:04 PM?<br />To appear in print on 25th April one assumes it was sent to the journalist the day before at the latest.<br />Who wrote that press statement?<br />Who carried out due diligence to check its content was accurate?<br />Who signed it off?<br />Who sent that press statement to The Western Mail and when?<br />How is it possible for a three sentence press statement to contain three lies and the Archbishop's Press Officer not to know about them?<br />What is the significance of Janet Henderson resigning later the same day?<br /><br /><br />Please explainnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-10074336180128566582014-05-05T19:27:36.854+01:002014-05-05T19:27:36.854+01:00Please read "two quick points" abovePlease read "two quick points" abovePeter Morrellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-1617764293633462692014-05-05T18:40:39.534+01:002014-05-05T18:40:39.534+01:00Dear Peter,
please can you clarify the statement m...Dear Peter,<br />please can you clarify the statement made in Wales on line that the 'Easter offering was abolished in the Diocese of Llandaff in 2012.'<br />This issue has never been debated at a Diocesan conference, and instructions have not been sent to clergy and treasurers that the Easter offering should no longer be paid. How was this decision made; how could it have been made without reference to the rest of the Church in Wales?<br /><br />the observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-9789303501994153112014-05-05T18:22:51.043+01:002014-05-05T18:22:51.043+01:00Two quick points:
1) I work as a night production ...Two quick points:<br />1) I work as a night production manager... I am not very influential.<br />2) I have no desire to engage in further conversation on a blog where anonymity is the norm and therefore unfounded allegations are rife and where anonymous contributors are permitted to call for my wife to be sacked!Peter Morrellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-74405722601453387462014-05-05T18:19:43.329+01:002014-05-05T18:19:43.329+01:00It looks as though the bad news for His ++Darkness...It looks as though the bad news for His ++Darkness continues.<br /><br />In his article of 11 September 2013, Martin Shipton identified that "The Church in Wales as a whole had an operating deficit last year of £518,000, despite earning £12.1m from stock exchange investments and £3.7m from property."<br />http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/worshippers-asked-increase-donations-amid-5898529<br /><br />According to the latest accounts filed with the Charity Commission, the situation goes from bad to worse.<br />Go to http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/find-charities/ and then type in charity number 1142813 for the RB/Church in Wales.<br />Nice little pie charts and brief explanations state <br />Income £19,019,000 Spending £19,878,000<br /><br />A defecit up from £518k to £859k, an increase of £341k (60%).<br />Episkoposnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-43561889420279720692014-05-05T16:45:44.728+01:002014-05-05T16:45:44.728+01:00Peter, the above comments resulted from an entry f...Peter, the above comments resulted from an entry following reports from two of your WalesOnline journalists on 24 April, the first of which carried the headline "Former Llandaff Cathedral choir members question £4,000 payment to former Dean". You may have noted the considerable concern expressed by commentators about the handling of much larger sums at a time when church members are constantly pressed to increase their giving. To relieve the frustration of those concerned, is this an area your people could explore to ensure that these suspicions are unfoundedAncientBritonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12357913998344777403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-85440756708780314342014-05-05T15:39:28.227+01:002014-05-05T15:39:28.227+01:00AncientBriton, the figure of £208,156 is the sum o...AncientBriton, the figure of £208,156 is the sum of all monies listed in the Diocesan accounts from 2005 to 2012 under the headings 'Bishop's Mission Fund' and then either 'Bishop's discretionary fund and hardship fund' or just 'Bishop's discretionary fund'. The words 'and hardship fund' disappeared after the 2006 accounts.<br /> Mission Fund Discretionary Fund Total<br />2005 £ 6,488 £ 11,985 £ 18,473<br />2006 £ 3,911 £ 12,202 £ 16,113<br />2007 £ 3,791 £ 17,556 £ 21,347<br />2008 £ 6,077 £ 18,083 £ 24,160<br />2009 £12,976 £ 18,627 £ 31,603<br />2010 £12,922 £ 18,720 £ 31,642<br />2011 £11,461 £ 19,095 £ 30,556<br />2012 £15,196 £ 19,095 £ 34,291<br /><br />Add the lot up and assuming my arithmetic is correct ++Bazza's 'discretionary'spending over 8 years totals £208,185.<br />I wonder what this year's accounts will reveal.<br />1662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-55991296042380545512014-05-05T15:26:24.749+01:002014-05-05T15:26:24.749+01:00Thank you
PeterThank you<br />PeterPeter Morrellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-10344382553003859232014-05-05T15:23:55.654+01:002014-05-05T15:23:55.654+01:00Thank you for your clarification Peter. I am happy...Thank you for your clarification Peter. I am happy to accept your assurance that the claim is incorrect and have deleted the comment as requested. Commentators please take note.AncientBritonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12357913998344777403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-33781545601612297472014-05-05T14:58:14.282+01:002014-05-05T14:58:14.282+01:00Ancient Briton, I am the long-serving journalist a...Ancient Briton, I am the long-serving journalist at Media Wales (Western Mail, WalesOnline etc) and husband of the Archbishop's Media Officer mentioned by "Llandaff Pelican" on April 28 at 10.46am.<br />The allegation is malicious nonsense.<br />Please stop writing and publishing lies and libellous comments about myself and my wife.<br />Please kill such comments from your blog and do not repeat the defamation.<br />Thank you.<br />Peter Morrell<br />Peter Morrellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-37955925488572148472014-05-05T11:26:22.793+01:002014-05-05T11:26:22.793+01:00Allegedly 1549. It would be interesting to know wh...Allegedly 1549. It would be interesting to know where the £208,156 figure comes from and how the money is spent. There may be a rational explanation. My understanding is that such funds have been abandoned in the Church of England to avoid situations such as this.AncientBritonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12357913998344777403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-43809361303934416122014-05-05T11:16:01.769+01:002014-05-05T11:16:01.769+01:00Discretion? Um, that's a novel concept for His...Discretion? Um, that's a novel concept for His Darkness. I can't help but seeing the irony of a prelate criticising bankers for their bonuses and yet he sits with his snout in a private, unaudited £208,156 slush fund.1549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-3049206057462427282014-05-05T07:56:26.544+01:002014-05-05T07:56:26.544+01:00Correct 1662. The Bishops Mission Fund I take to b...Correct 1662. The Bishops Mission Fund I take to be funded under the Note "Donations are made to this fund primarily from collections taken at induction and confirmation services, and Gift Aid is claimed where appropriate. All monies received are paid over to the Bishop to be used at his discretion."<br /><br />Under "6. CHARITABLE ACTIVITIES: SUPPORT FOR MINISTRY" another item "Bishop's discretionary fund" appears as "Clergy expenses". Over the period 2008 to 2012 I calculated the sum of £93,629. I see the same figure of £19,095 for 2012 and 2011 but I have not found any clarification of where the money comes from or how it supports ministry.<br /> AncientBritonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12357913998344777403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-36362112565707886642014-05-05T00:03:37.185+01:002014-05-05T00:03:37.185+01:00Llandaff Pewster seems to have hit the bullseye. O...Llandaff Pewster seems to have hit the bullseye. One hears that the Janet Henderson 'folder' has been moved (for safe keeping you understand) to Llys Esgob and a game of Cluedo has been initiated to discover who has seen the folder under the Capon's arm.<br />One hopes that Janet Henderson has the sense to realise that she has the right to see everything in 'her' folder and that, if His ++Darkness will not co-operate with a data access request from her, she can refer the matter to the Information Commissioner.Cheering for Janetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-56554748267478147392014-05-04T23:51:04.584+01:002014-05-04T23:51:04.584+01:00Urban, another obvious example of misleading press...Urban, another obvious example of misleading press statements is that of 9th May 2013,<br />http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/dean-of-llandaff-cathedral-quits-3567892<br />In a statement, the Church in Wales said: "The Archbishop of Wales has, with enormous sadness, accepted the resignation with immediate effect of the Very Reverend Janet Henderson as Dean of Llandaff."<br /><br />As this year's Annual report now shows, this was a lie as Janet Henderson had resigned on 25th April 2013.<br />It looks like the misleading press statement was designed to cover up the lies His ++Darkness told to the Easter Vestry meeting on 30th April 2013, that "The Archbishop welcomed everyone to the meeting explaining that Dean Janet Henderson had requested he chaired in her absence."<br /><br />Janet had resigned 5 days before the meeting took place, so the press statement was obviously a second lie to cover up the first lie.Teilonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-8361387024375111312014-05-04T23:25:57.491+01:002014-05-04T23:25:57.491+01:00AncientBriton, I think you've identified the B...AncientBriton, I think you've identified the Bishop's "Mission Fund" on page 19.<br />But if you look on page 21, under the heading Clergy expenses there is another fund called "Bishop's discretionary Fund" with a further sum of £19,095. There is no explanation that I can find of how it is funded or how it is spent.<br />From 2005 to 2012 ++Barry spent a grand total of £208,185 at his "discretion".<br />I believe the people of the diocese of Llandaff have the right to an explanation for how this vast sum of money was spent and ++Barry should publish an itemised list to account for every £.<br /><br /><br />1662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-70315666359902961182014-05-04T22:05:42.697+01:002014-05-04T22:05:42.697+01:00£58.6k slush fund? That is a staggering large amo...£58.6k slush fund? That is a staggering large amount of unaccounted for cash for His Darkness to be playing with. That definitely needs to be looked into by Private Eye strobes@private-eye.co.uk1549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-11926608477496055022014-05-04T20:00:11.348+01:002014-05-04T20:00:11.348+01:00Just to clarify Knight on the Green, the £15,196 r...Just to clarify Knight on the Green, the £15,196 referred only to 2012. The five years from 2008 to 2012 totaled £58,632. <br />The explanatory note states "Donations are made to this fund primarily from collections taken at induction and confirmation services, and Gift Aid is claimed where appropriate. All monies received are paid over to the Bishop to be used at his discretion". <br />If Gift Aid is added the figure will be more. I have found no indication how the Bishop uses his discretion.AncientBritonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12357913998344777403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-87320711256897677732014-05-03T22:14:28.511+01:002014-05-03T22:14:28.511+01:00And what was the £15,196 used for? Planning permi...And what was the £15,196 used for? Planning permission and architect's fees for a proposed eco home?Knight on the Greennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-81610506058073686662014-05-03T21:23:49.654+01:002014-05-03T21:23:49.654+01:00Go Compare, following the link suggested by 1662 I...Go Compare, following the link suggested by 1662 I found accounts from 2008 to 2012 under <br />242452 - THE LLANDAFF DIOCESAN BOARD OF FINANCE<br />Using the link as an example the 'Bishops mission Fund' shows Income Resources £15,196 and the Outgoings (£15,196). I hope that helps.AncientBritonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12357913998344777403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-76995184307730849672014-05-03T21:02:50.636+01:002014-05-03T21:02:50.636+01:00This is all a distraction from the issue of allege...This is all a distraction from the issue of alleged unaudited episcopal discretionary/slush fund. Does it exit? Where does the money come from? Who manages it? What are the funds used for? Why is it kept secret from the pew-sitters?Go Compare!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019954714374602353.post-60501731474286360532014-05-03T21:02:02.004+01:002014-05-03T21:02:02.004+01:00A little digging in the link you suggested 1662 le...A little digging in the link you suggested 1662 led to this snippet which may be of interest to others:<br />"f) Bishop's Mission Fund <br />Donations are made to this fund primarily from collections taken at induction and confirmation services, and Gift Aid is claimed where appropriate. All monies received are paid over to the Bishop to be used at his discretion."<br />From [page 18] http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends52/0000242452_AC_20121231_E_C.pdf <br />AncientBritonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12357913998344777403noreply@blogger.com