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| The Diocese of Bangor’s new LGBT+ Chaplaincy Team. Source: Twitter |
Following in the footsteps of the diocese of St Asaph with their LGBTQIA+ Chaplaincy, the diocese of Bangor has launched its own LBGT+ Chaplaincy for people who consider themselves to be members of the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Questioning, Intersex and Asexual community.
Its Chaplain the Rev’d Dominic McClean said, "In an ideal world a Chaplaincy such as this would not be necessary. But the LGBT+ Christian community is one that needs affirming within our Church. So this Chaplaincy will offer a safe and sacred place where LGBT+ people can be themselves as they worship and express their love for God and Jesus".
What world do these people live in? The joke in Llandaff is that a straight chaplaincy is needed!
The only minority in the Church in Wales who cannot be themselves as they worship and express their love for God and Jesus are those who in conscience follow the traditional teaching of the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
Still no safe and sacred place for them.
I think the Enforcer makes sense . The only alternative for Catholics within our church here in Wales is separation just like the gay lobby have achieved. Soon they will have a bishop as well, willing to officiate to their whims and needs (or have they already got one?) There must be a cathedral in the south and one up north with a bishop for traditionalists. This latest ambush proves the bench of bishops were wrong and deceitful to sabotage the role of provincial bishop such as David Thomas. May he rest in peace.
ReplyDeleteGorseinon Traditionalist.
Thank you Gorseinon Traditionalist, how did one manage to miss your contribution here. A most encouraging response at this early hour during call for prayer of the Society of SGSC (Society of Gender Stricken Clerics).
DeleteThe way forward now is to establish that the Enforcers initial suggestion on this blog belongs to Count Barry Von Morgan. Doing so allows Him to claim, as Emeritus, (the glory you have given me etc,) that this is Constitutional procedure. The Enforcer, on the other hand, does not require recognition for this brilliant idea, simply a safe passage for himself/herself as a confused gender victim, along with the most noble Lord Friars of Bangor, who, being spotted recently in Upper Bangor carrying a 'P..s off Barry' placard, is described as not entirely helpful. Consideration should also be granted to Bar-bra Windsor's former grinder 'Menai Bridge', even though his/her's present location is uncertain, ' whether on land sea or air'. As for any court hearing, hinted at by our noble Lord Friars concerning arse-ets, it is suggested by the Enforcer,that, in the interests of fairness and justice and independence, that it be presided over by a Mr Putin, with an application that the venue be moved to the Kremlin. Wine list available at the diocesan office.
As an ex-Anglican by now, it saddens me that 'our church' has long become nothing more than a 'Club', and a trendy Club at that. Paradoxically, I feel more of an Anglican since I left, in terms of tradition .... Ah well .... maybe a Traditional Cathedral somewhere is the answer - and remember, our ancient buildings don't 'belong' to the CinW but are 'vested' in the RB - maybe Traditionalists need to reclaim some of these ancient buildings as part of their Catholic heritage! Now that would be an interesting test case in the Courts ...
ReplyDeleteThank you to the most noble lord Geraint ap Iorwerth of Friars, for highlighting the Enforcer's argument in post 'Noble Task' comment 9, 22May on this blog. Unable to employ anyone to taste my coffee (much to Barry's delight), I was already contemplating retirement. Now, like many others within our province I am delighted to discover that you, sir, have surfaced, as one still breathing. Can we rely on you being coffee taster for the Enforcer? No need to apply, the Enforcer, is the patron for this post. I appreciate the risks involved, but you sir are from a most noble pedigree. Interviews at the Marine Hotel Aber, with inauguration yet to be arranged, at St Tysilio - in - the - Swilis, (lifejacket and kyak supplied). Providing, of course, Bar-bra Windsor agrees with the venue. Good luck, most noble lord, with the kite flying lessons in Bangor-on-P.
DeleteWhich one is the Rev'd Dominic McLean?
ReplyDeleteThe woman on the end or the man in the blue shirt?
http://bangor.churchinwales.org.uk/news/2015/06/bishop-new-vocations-officer-for-the-diocese-of-bangor/
DeleteThank you for the link AB.
DeleteIt says that Dominic "responded to God's call" and was ordained a catholic priest. It doesn't say but I infer, that having found a gay partner, he became an Anglican.
So by that token,he is the 'right man' to salve the consciences LBGTQIA+ community that anything goes.
Maybe the chaplaincy can teach on traditional family values and sexual ethics as understood by Christ's Apostles?
ReplyDeleteWhamab, this is a sweeping statement, if ever there was one! What are the sexual ethics understood by Christ’s apostles? The Gospels are only concerned with one thing: and that one thing is not family values, sex or sexual ethics. The one message contained in the Gospels is “The Kingdom of God has come near you; repent and believe the good news!” Jesus’ teaching on marriage is to be understood in the light of the Kingdom of God coming near us. In that context, a husband or wife will see in their ‘other half’ the image of God; and in seeing the image of God, bills of divorce become a thing of the past. Just as Adam divorcing Eve was impossible – there was no one else to marry – so Jesus claims, in an ideal world where the Kingdom of God has come near us, divorce becomes unnecessary. Since a woman could not issue a bill of divorce in Jesus’ day– no matter how badly behaved her husband was – Jesus elevates the status of women with his statement that anyone divorcing his wife, and thus forcing her to remarry causes her to commit adultery.
DeleteWhat this section of the Gospel shows is that the Pharisees, who knew that the rules on marriage as defined by the schools of Shammai and Hillel were contentious in Jewish society, were trying to force Jesus into making a false step. What many scholars allude to, with regard to this passage, is that Jesus is to be admired for outwitting his opponents, rather than a definitive answer about family life and divorce.
What you will not find in the Gospels is any statement about homosexuality, bisexuality, transgender issues and the like because these issues were irrelevant to the society which Jesus inhabited. People would not have contemplated them because they would have brought a death sentence. Nevertheless, just because they were irrelevant, and unmentioned, you cannot presume that traditional marriage is the only acceptable norm where God is concerned.
In his first letter to the Corinthians, St Paul places celibacy above marriage. Of course, if that were the case, the human race would die out very quickly. I think we are to understand Paul’s words in the context of a belief that Christ was coming back imminently. To this end, Christians would be better off proclaiming the Gospel and attempting to get the whole human race into God’s Kingdom, than wasting time on organising weddings.
What is clear is that the early Christian Church was counter-cultural. Its standards in relation to sexual ethics were much higher than in the rest of Graeco-Roman society. Unfortunately, in the age in which they lived, Christ’s apostles would be hard-pressed to deal with the sexual practices of today.
Tomas de Torquemada
I am sure this is only idle tittle-tattle, and that there isn't a word of truth in it; but... there may be more than meets the eye in this appointment and all the emphasis given to it. As I say, I have not one shred of evidence to support this, personally; but it is strange how I have heard (for the fourth time this week and from what appear to be unconnected people) that, apparently, there may be some exploring of new-found sexual identity going on right at the very top, especially now that Penrhosgarnedd vicarage is being occupied rent-free.
ReplyDeleteGood heavens Menai-de-Bridge. Perish the thought. The lower end of Bazzars manure heap. Any more jollies over there?
ReplyDeleteBangor-on-Pee
"Rev Dominic McLean" is a friend of the cottaging Archdeacon, who facilitated his entry into the C in W, after God had called him to leave the Roman Catholic Church for breaking his celibacy vows. There is no confirmed sightings of where they first met. I wonder if Andy Pandy has invited Mr McLean to 'shock him'?
ReplyDelete"Confirmed sightings"? Could it be that infamous Bangor clergy summer school in Dublin?
DeleteBangor-on-Pee
Dominic will still be within Roman orders, unless he resigned, which I very much doubt he has. He would have become an Anglican priest without being re ordained.
DeleteAn effective ecumenical move through the back door, so to speak.
Jollies aplenty to come, Bangor-on-Pee. I am getting faint rumblings about one or two manifestations in the Llanbedrog area. But I'll have to keep you waiting for that because I don't know the whole story at this precise moment, and it would be such a shame not to be able to tell you all the gory details in one fell swoop. Let's just say it's not unrelated to an episcopal panic attack at a past Diocesan conference.
ReplyDeleteTry stepping off on your left foot, Menai Bridge.
DeleteParc Menai
Oooh Menage de Bridge. Surely you are not suggesting a daisy chain ! Are you?
ReplyDeleteWell I could kiss a bishop's ring.
Thrupence.
ReplyDeleteI'M FREEEEE!
On the day Andy Pandy was elected in 2008, I then served in the Diocese of St Davids. My archdeacon was with me that day and I have never seen anyone so angry. 'It will be an absolute disaster' he said, swiftly adding 'he just hasn't got it.' That's a ringing endorsement from one of your fellow archdeacons isn't it?
ReplyDeleteDear Now, Some time ago I was taken to task by Scapegoat,and we all know who he is,for referring to the Beishop of St Asaph as the Michelein Man and herself of Ty Ddewi as the Wench of Abergwili.
DeleteBy the same token your reference to himself of Bangor as
"Andy Pandy" is inappropriate.
In what was formerly God's own country he is referred to as Andy Crap.
I doubt you do know who I am Watchman, but pleased your conscience has been pricked in regard to to the deeply unchristian way you have referred to +Gregory and +Joanna in the past. That said, I don't quite know what you hope to achieve by your latest +Andy 'Crap' other than to continue with your unkindness. Shame on you - just e kind, please.
DeleteLast month's music sheet at Llandaff Cathedral had a funny misprint: our favourite Dean was called "Gerwyn Cap"! Surely nothing to do with our Andy.
Delete" There once a bishop of Crewe
ReplyDeleteWhose vestments were frilly and blue
As he walked through the doors
There was roar of applause-
Cause they thought he was Danny La Rue!"
Lilly Savage
Thank you, Watchman, that is an altogether more accurate and appropriate title for the hopeless and hapless cleric masquerading as Bishop of Bangor. I shall be sure to use it in future.
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